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  Tiny Cracks in the Foundation

  by TMS in

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  two unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.

  they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.

  returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .

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  I also did not pay enough attention to warning signs.

  Around 1995, there was a wt article that really ticked me off and I found myself saying "how could they have such a cold hard attitude toward people who had suffered because of listening to them?"
  This article had to do with alternative military service.The article actually gave a change in how we should view it.It was now allowed.But it also said something to the effect that Christians should not feel bad that they had "followed their conscience" in this matter and had suffered for it,(ie jail time etc.), even though now there was a change in view on the particular matter that they suffered for.

  In other words; Just because we are now giving you "new light", don't feel bad that you suffered under the "old light".

  This was a definite warning sign. I wish I had seen the full significance of it. I could have saved myself a few more years.

  DakotaRed: What a story! These are the types of things the media needs to know about. I don't know how you restrained yourself from beating them down.

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  Tonites bookstudy

  by Leander in

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  it took everything i had to stay seated thru the bookstudy tonite, i felt like getting up and leaving.

  the fact that i'm the designated reader did'nt make matters any better either.

  i'm not sure how many people on the forum have the isaiah's prophecy book but if you do have a copy check out chapter 21.. chapter 21 in paragraphs 3 talks about how enemies of the israelites (pharoah, nebuchadnezzar)were compelled to acknowledge that jehovah was with his people.

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  Leander,

  Interesting post about the Isaiah book. I have book 1 and book 2.
  One of the most ridiculous things about this book is that there are times when it claims that ancient isreal represents modern day christendom.And then at other times it claims that other nations of the world represent modern day christendom.
  This is so ridiculous and the sad thing is that the average j-dumb will just sit there and listen to that garbage and will not see the obvious contradictions.
  Really God-inspired writing huh?

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  The Watchtower's Achilles Heel

  by metatron in

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  recent events strongly suggest that the watchtower has a. severe, if not fatal, weakness.. lack of education - and intelligent management.. over the past several years, the governing body has emphasized.

  a program of 'simplification' - a plain response to the demands.

  of an international organization that lacks enough money and.

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  Metatron, Seeker4, Proandcon and the others,

  This is a very interesting post. If the bits of information provided here from personal conversations and experiences were generally known by dubs, it would help more of those who can still think for themselves to leave the borg.

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  Just a quick hello

  by BoozeRunner in

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  just popped in to say hello.

  i have been offline for about a month, but expect to be back in the next week or so.

  out of the sites i visit, i miss everyone here the most.

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  Boozy my brother,

  What the @#$% is the deal, yo? :)

  Got some news for ya. I'll try to call again.

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  Barbara Grizzuti Harrison dies at 67

  by Dogpatch in

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  http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/26/obituaries/26harr.html.

  barbara grizzuti harrison, who emerged as a popular, prolific writer of keenly observed nonfiction with a 1978 book about the dozen years she spent as a jehovah's witness, died on wednesday at a hospice in manhattan.

  she was 67 and lived in the park slope neighborhood of brooklyn.. the cause was chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, said her daughter, anna harrison.

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  I am sorry to hear that she has died.

  Her book was one of the books that helped me to see the real truth about the wt when I read it a couple of years ago.

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  Wrong type alternative service

  by Yadirf in

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  quoted below is the testimony of an ex-jw (one of the posters here) who faced the draft in the '60s.

  notice the form of "alternative service" that he would've been required to do had he been drafted.

  not civilian, but as one who would work in a military hospital ... which would be aiding the war effort -- a breach of one's neutrality.. .

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  War is destructive, but there are times when it is thrust upon you and engaging in it becomes necessary.

  Even the Bible(whether God's word or not) says at Ecclesiastes 3:8 that there is a time for war.

  Personally I feel that one of the best wars to wage is to war against the wts.

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  Deleted Because Boss is DF JW

  by VitoJW in

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  i am new here.

  tho i have lurked, this is my first real post.. i was doing "personal research" for the last 5 years, tho was helped along recently when i was deleted as an elder because i work for a company owned by a disassociated jw.

  there is no real definitive info in print, other than the infamous 9/15/81 wt, but the co held a mini-crusade and got me axed.. nothing personal,.... just business.

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  Vito,

  Welcome. Your story is interesting and is another example of the absolute foolishness and injustice of the wts. I am not surprised.
  I was removed as an elder because I stood up for what was right in the congregation and because I wrote a letter asking for clarification on a Questions From Readers article that dealt with the very situation I was standing up for. Even though the wts wrote back to me telling me I was correct, I was removed on the basis of that letter and I was accused of being belligerent.
  I fought this all the way through the service dept and the GB. It finally came down to a 4 hour meeting at Bethel with JR (kiss ass liar) Brown, and Bob Pevy, both of whom are wt officials and both of whom acknowledged to me and my family that I had been railroaded and that that my removal as an elder had been wrong. They still refused to do anything about it.
  There is no justice in the wts.
  Welcome to the club.
  Its their loss.
  You seem to be gaining your freedom from the cult. Good.

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  The Usual Jaw Dropping WT Hypocrisy

  by metatron in

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  the latest watchtower contains a life experience from a. brother in nigeria.

  he recalls an incident from his youth.. "another time, the principal of the baptist school attempted.

  to abuse me sexually.

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  Metatron,

  Thanks for posting this.
  The fact that they would print that crap in the current atmosphere of pedophiles being revealed in the Catholic church and others, and KNOWING that the same thing exists within wt walls, shows how arrogant and overconfident the bklyn bastards are!!!!

  Whatever can be done to destroy the wt and put it out of business and bring those old fucks to justice is what should be done!!!!

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  Reasons why we hate JW's (as an org)

  by ashitaka in

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  my first reason is the fact that i was being controlled through the jw social structure, and having to fight to do anything....even whether to wear a tie or not.

  the preoccupation with appearance was so debilitating; that was all i was ever concerned with.

  and, as i'm not attractive, good in sports, or a conformist, i had very few friends.

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  Mouthy,

  I knew I could have been mistaken about that. :)
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  Reasons why we hate JW's (as an org)

  by ashitaka in

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  my first reason is the fact that i was being controlled through the jw social structure, and having to fight to do anything....even whether to wear a tie or not.

  the preoccupation with appearance was so debilitating; that was all i was ever concerned with.

  and, as i'm not attractive, good in sports, or a conformist, i had very few friends.

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  Zenu,

  If I haven't proven anything, then neither have you.

  If you want, tomorrow I will post to you, the references of control.

  worf(warrior class)