Posts by worf

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I Live For Today - No Longer Fear the Future- After Exiting the Witnesses

by flipper in

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as some know here - i was born in the witnesses .

raised in it and stayed in for 44 long years !

i don't believe in armageddon.

worf

Mr Flipper,

You posted: " I don't believe in Armageddon. It's a lie. It was used to keep us in fear as witnesses. I actually don't believe in a resurrection either. That too was promised to us to get us out of enjoying this life , so we would not live in the here and now ! The witnesses only wanted us to think of the future alleged " paradise " so we would be kept under lock and key in our lives, controlled ! We don't have to live in fear, and we don't have to live with guilt ! Surprise, surprise ! The boogey man really won't come tomorrow and kill us for enjoying life today ! I don't know if there is life after death somewhere, but you know what ? I really don't worry about it ! I am too involved with enjoying life now, each day and drink in the love and caring experiences I can share with everyone . If there is life after death- I'll be sure to give each of you a phone call if I have your number and let ya know how things are going ! I guess I feel this way with a more lax view because everything was SO tense in the Witnesses that every little move was scrutinized ! Now, I want to relax ! Am I making any sense here ?? "

You make perfect sense in your post. I feel exactly as your words above have expressed. I also no longer live my life in fear of any supposed ethereal being, such as a "god" coming down and destroying people. That is nothing but a fear tactic, used by religious leaders who want to extract easy livings from others, without getting out there and putting in the nitty gritty effort themselves to make their own livings.

Worf

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What Were Your Favorite Old TV Shows (From the 50's to the 90's)???

by minimus in

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i watch the rifleman almost every night on encore westerns.. when i was a kid i used to love watching the 3 stooges.. my favorite 80's show was taxi and hill street blues.. which tv shows did you love watching?

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worf

My favorite Old TV shows:

The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, Bonanza, The Flintstones, Gigantor, Speed Racer, I Love Lucy, The Rifleman, The Guns Of Will Sonnett, Star Trek Original Series, Star Trek The Next Generation, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek Enterprise, The Time Tunnel, Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, The Munsters, The Cosby Show, Living Single, A Different World, In Living Color, The Simpsons, Babylon 5, Sliders, Bugs Bunny Cartoons, The Road Runner, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Superfriends, The Green Hornet, Petticoat Junction, Taxi, Barney Miller, Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, Big Valley, Superman, Batman(for the laughs), The Honeymooners, and many more that don't come to mind right now.

Worf

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What Would You Like to Tell The Governing Body?

by AK - Jeff in

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we assume that they or their dupes read this forum, or parts of it, right?

address your comments to them.

do so kindly, and respectfully, remembering that it is their religion, and they can run it like they like.

worf

To all so-called governing body members:

I have no respect for any of you, past or present.

Your tyrannical rule is played out, and the remaining days of your organization are numbered.

F*uck all of you.

To hell with all of you.

theodore jaracz, THIS MEANS YOU ESPECIALLY!

Worf

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YOUTUBE VIDEO: Phonecall to the Watchtower regarding the Williams sisters

by kool aid man06 in

rick fearon calls the watchtower concerning the tennis superstars venus and serena williams in this two part youtube video.. http://www.youtube.com/araretreat.

worf

To those on this thread who have found some reason to criticize Kool Aid Man for the work he is doing and for his video about the Phone Call to the Watchtower regarding the Williams Sisters, give some thought to this:

When you apply wide-scope accounting to the Watchtower, the evidence,even from their own literature proves that they are responsible for:

A. The deaths of thousands of jw members (people) over the years from their promoted no-blood policy under pain of punishment from God and disfellowshipping if you went against it.

B. The raping, killing, murdering, torture, destruction of homes, businesses, and the running out of the country and detainment in internment camps for decades, of the Malawian jw members.

C. Destruction of families.

D. Suicides.

E. Deaths and living in sub-par health from their promoted no-transplant policy under pain of shunning and punishment from God if you went against it.

F. The living of a just-get-by life by their members because of their false end of the world prophecies, resulting in many members without any real financial back-up in their later years, "because this system of things was not supposed to still be here".

G. JW members with no college degree, so that they are less competitive in the job market and have less chances of procuring employment that pays better.

H. Tens of thousands of pedophile crimes, most of which still have not come to the light of the legal system.

I. Etc. etc. etc. etc. I could on and on to the letter Z and probably beyond with the outright cruelty and crimes against humanity that the Watchtower is responsible for.

Therefore, ANY expose's, including those by Kool Aid Man06 that help, or even possibly help, to enlighten people about the Watchtower and keep them from being bamboozled out of their lives and money like most of us were, and that could assist in finally removing the Watchtower from the map of this planet, are good things.

Wide scope accounting people. Wide scope accounting .

Worf

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YOUTUBE VIDEO: Phonecall to the Watchtower regarding the Williams sisters

by kool aid man06 in

rick fearon calls the watchtower concerning the tennis superstars venus and serena williams in this two part youtube video.. http://www.youtube.com/araretreat.

worf

kool aid man06,

I think that what you do is a good thing, and I'm glad that you found my topic on the Williams sisters to be of use in the opening words of your video.

What some may not realize is that no one is criticizing the Williams sisters for their own personal life, but the main point is to show that the watchtower is hypocritical, period, and therefore has no connection to any god.

Worf

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Question

by Newborn in

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do you still believe that jehovahs day and the paradise will come?.

i still believe in god and the creation.. /newborn.

.

worf

No.

If we as humans survive the threshold we are at now, we will make our own paradise. Its totally up to us. There is no mystical god out there waiting for the so-called "right time" to bring paradise. We are our own Gods. For better or worse.

And most, if not all religious leaders know this to be the case. Religion itself is a hoax.

Worf

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JWs - the Next Generation

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

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my peer group (post-1975 born-in jws) seems to approach the jw religion in a different manner than earlier generations.

now, these folks still believe the wts is "the truth" and if you say anything that sounds "apostate" they start freaking out.

but, make no mistake, these jws are not your parents' witnesses.

worf

Additionally,

The generation I commented about above included regular pioneers, ministerial servants, and so-called exemplary publishers, and some married couples who were a few years older than us.

Worf

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JWs - the Next Generation

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

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my peer group (post-1975 born-in jws) seems to approach the jw religion in a different manner than earlier generations.

now, these folks still believe the wts is "the truth" and if you say anything that sounds "apostate" they start freaking out.

but, make no mistake, these jws are not your parents' witnesses.

worf

Olin Moyles Ghost,

I appreciate your information here but the actions and attitudes you describe are not unique to the peer group you are talking about.

I was "born in", in1961 and when my generation of JWS were teenagers and in our early 20's during the 1970's Disco era, and early 1980's, here are some the things we did on a regular basis:

Gatherings and parties every weekend at someone's house or at some rented out space such the Restoration Center in Brooklyn. We also rented out discos such as "Bentley's" and "Le CoCo ", in Manhattan NY for witness parties and western theme parties where we drank liquor regularly. We also had plenty of food at these events.

We had T-shirt theme parties at a gym in Manhattanville, in Harlem NY where all kinds of music was played including songs like "Supersperm", "In The Bush", and "Get Off" all of these being dance songs about sex. And believe me, many of us gyrated to those songs as we were "doing it" right there on the dance floor.

The youth of my generation also regularly organized trips to Dude Ranches and on one particular trip in 1981, there was drunkeness and so-called "immorality" which occurred. In fact one "brother" was found in a drunken stupor in only his underwear outside of a room the morning after our "witness only" big party in the biggest room of this Dude Ranch which was called Hidden Valley Dude Ranch.

I could go on and on about the things my generation of young JWs did and enjoyed on a regular basis, and got away with, including rated R movies, music etc. etc. etc.

Of course, the Watchtower Society tried to clamp down on us through the literature, and the elders and CO's, and some of us were "disciplined" if we were caught. But they really couldn't stop it, and a lot of us got away with a lot of the things we just liked to do.

I like the information you present about your peer group, but it is not unique to your peer group.

Worf

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Was my entire life fake?

by BonaFide in

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so i start thinking about all my "privileges.

" i went to mts, took 600 pages of notes, went to my assignment, i am still serving under the mts program.

for a few years until my circumstances changed.

worf

Bonafide,

I was also born into the jw organization. I was a third generation witness and also an elder.

The fact is that life as a JW is based on unrealities, wishful thinking and outright lies, all of these things falsely promoted by the watchtower society, which is nothing more than a publishing company masquerading as a religion. So in all honesty, life as a JW is in a way fake, because it is based on so-called prophecies, rules, and regulations, and promises, that have no basis in reality.

I understand the questions you are going through, because I, just as others here have gone through the same thing. I personally realized that I had been bamboozled by this organization all of my life after reading the chapter entitled: "Double Standards", in the book "Crisis Of Conscience" by Raymond Franz.

You should purchase "Crisis Of Conscience" and "In Search Of Christian Freedom", both by Raymond Franz if you haven't already done so. These 2 books will fully prove why the watchtower is a totally false organization, which was never backed by god, is not backed by god, and will never be backed by god. These 2 books will help you to sever your ties with the watchtower if thats what you really want to do.

Feel free to e-mail me through this board if you want to.

Worf

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A witness dinner- Puts on Samuel Herds {Gov.body} talk I nearly choked!

by Witness 007 in

visiting my mum she made me go to my first meeting in years.

a brother i studied with invites me to dinner....nice change i thought!

rumor has it that i have become in-active....true!

worf

Witness 007,

WOW!

That talk by Samuel Herd shows that he is more of a knucklehead than when my brother and I dealt with him at Brooklyn HQ back in 2000.

Thanks for the info.

Worf