i notice that there are many of us here who were discouraged from going to college/university in our younger years, courtesy of the watchtower society.
i would just like to say "congrats" to those who, in spite of the indoctrination and the fact that they've had to attend college later while holding down jobs and paying their own way, have attended college and received degrees!.
when i left high school i went right into pioneering as college was not an option in the witness world.
Hey dantheman,
I'm 40 and just started at college for the first time in my life this past spring semester. I love it! I also skipped college because I grew up in the borg. I also always loved math like you do and intend to make it my major. I'd like to teach it someday too. I 'm working fulltime and going in the evening and it can be rough, but it is worth it. Going for the BA at first.
Worf
post a favorite thing quote comment your c.o.
(outlandish or outrageous) .
the last one i had was talking about how he had to move around.
Circuit Overseer Carl "Slicin" Dyson made this comment to many Jamaica Queens congregations as well as at the circuit assemblies during the year 1985 : "You've got brothers and sisters around here talking about retirement in ten more years. Isn't that foolish? "
This comment was made when he would talk about how "Close" the end of this system was and that it wouldn't even last for that much longer.
I wonder how foolish he feels now? Its been more than "ten more years" . In fact its "seventeen more years" since he made those comments and there has been no end. What a f***in joke.
BTW, does anybody know if Carl Dyson is still a CO and where he is?
Worf
post a favorite thing quote comment your c.o.
(outlandish or outrageous) .
the last one i had was talking about how he had to move around.
"There is a core of faithful ones here in the congregation. If the rest of you don't gather around this core, you are going to fall right out of the truth." - Circuit Overseer George Black addressing the Merrick Congregation in Jamaica Queens New York.
Worf
this is an excerpt from an article entitled "jury tells of abuses by priests" from todays new york daily news: .
under the subheading 'unique impact' and in paragraph two under this subheading the article reads: "many of the victims testified they had been taught to believe that the abusing priest, often a family friend, "is always right" and "sits at the right hand of god.
" the victims said they kept quiet for fear of not being believed by their family, retaliation or punishment from god.".
This is an excerpt from an article entitled "Jury Tells Of Abuses By Priests" from todays New York Daily News:
Under the subheading 'Unique Impact' and in paragraph two under this subheading the article reads: "Many of the victims testified they had been taught to believe that the abusing priest, often a family friend, "is always right" and "sits at the right hand of God." The victims said they kept quiet for fear of not being believed by their family, retaliation or punishment from God."
Do the words "sits at the right hand of God" and ' fear of not being believed and retaliation by God' sound familiar?
Worf.
Edited by - worf on 19 June 2002 10:36:27
attorney at law.
6-6-02. draffenville congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
attn: george bandarra .
I don't know how those jws who are doing the violence to you can claim they are Christians. Shows how dangerous the wts cult is.
Excellent letter Bill. You and your atty are doing a great job battling those foolish elders and the wts. They are going to get burned on this one.
Worf
does this apply to judicial committees too?.
*** w98 6/15 26-9 true justice-when and how?
the innocent should have nothing to fear from true justice.
THANK YOU FARKEL.
WORF.
i was thinking today about all the time i spent on the ministry.. walking down the street with my suit and briefcase ready to defend the truth.. i recalled some of the conversations i had , had.some of the bible studies i conducted, the talks i had given the groups i had taken.. i remmebered the way i defended my faith and belief in jehovah and the jehovahs witness organisation.. how much i must have believed it was the truth.. i spent 3 years as an auxillary pioneer and called on many thousands of people.. yet all along i was wrong.. every time i defened my beliefs i was wrong.. every talk i studied and prepeared long and hard for, i was wrong.. all the things i gave up for the truth i was wrong.. what an idiot.
sleepy,
I understand how you feel. I think about those same things sometimes. I was an elder for 7 years and served as the public talk coordinator as wellas many other jobs in the congregation. Many times when the speaker did not show up, I gave the talk. I gave talks and substitute talks in every borough here in New York as well as Nassau and Suffolk counties. I reflect also on all the time, hours upon hours, that I spent preparing a talk whether it was a public talk or on the tms or the service(choke choke )er, uh, sales meeting, and I realize that all I was doing was promoting the stupid rules and false teachings of the most wicked organization on the planet. I feel really dumb sometimes.
But it also helps me to see that the same mind control must be prevented from continuing. The tower has got to come down. The world will be a better place without it.
Worf
i heard that there was going to be a letter read at the service meetings this week?
this info came from a jw friend who has been discussing this with me for the past couple of days.
he just said to go to the service meeting as there was going to be a letter read.
Yes there is a letter being read at the meetings. My brother in law told us that the letter claims that abuse victims are not discouraged from going to the authorities, that no one is punished for going to the authorities etc. etc. etc.
He was at the meeting last night and heard the letter.
Obvious damage control because of dateline, but the entire letter is a lie as we all know.
worf
how about if we all plan a "peaceful" rally in front of the wts?.
we could have on posters the names (maybe pictures) of the jw' & df-jw's who are pedophiles.
the ones that have been df.. in addition the names of all of their victims, that we personally know.. how about having the victims present with pictures of the age when they were molested.. changes need to be done if at least a thousand of us show up!
Hey I live right here in new York City so you know I'll be there. Actually Bill and I talked about the possibility of doing a demonstration.
I'm all for it.
worf
i received the following e-mail from steven hassan.
it seems that he landed on the cutting floor at dateline.
devon .
I also wish they had kept Hassan's part on the show. But no matter what happens with Dateline, the work of exposing the wts is not over.
Just the fact that Barbera Andersons dfing was accompanied by the statement"there are dissidents among us", shows the cruelty and arrogance of the wts. So people within the wts who speak out against sexual abuse, even with clear cut evidence of such abuse, are nothing but dissidents according to the wts.
This statement means that they still refuse to acknowledge the problem or their guilt in this. And that kind of attitude shows that they continue to be a dangerous organization that needs to be taken out.
I believe Dateline will be a big factor, but the wts needs to be pressured until it is out of business. And that will take more work anyway.
I e-mailed everyone at my job and they have assured me they will be watching tonight. So it will be enlightenment for them if nothing else.
Worf
