I guess that hurricane scared them and Jehovah can't protect them. Them building that multi million dollar compound while at the same proclaiming we are living in the last days and we(meaning the sheep) shouldn't get an education, a career, save for retirement, or buy a house always bothered me. Once I woke up then it made sense. They are modern Pharisees; do as we say, not as we do.
subytrek
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is this the new jw take over the sale of brooklyn properties?
by recovering infound this on a pro jw website .
is this what they are telling the witnesseskelly wallaceyou realise bethel in brooklyn new york are selling up the buildings and moving.
you know why- they realised come the great tribulation they are too exposed.
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The door bell rang today
by ABibleStudent injust before i started undressing to take a shower to go to an appointment, the door bell rang.
i thought about not answering the door, but then thought what the hell it could be my neighbor, who is a widow and in her 70's, needing some help.. at the door was a frail man about 85+ years old dressed in a shabby sport coat, shirt, tie, and slacks, and a skinny woman about 75+ years old in a long dress that needed to be ironed.
as i grabbed my dog to prevent him from jumping at the screen door, which was partially open, and beating the couple with his tail and making them fall, i thought what am i going to do.
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During the campaigns Witnesses are instructed to not spend much time at each door but to try to pass out all their invitations and cover as much territory as possible so that's why you might be surprised they didn't attempt to engage you in conversation. It's not the normal door to door work now.
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What were your favorite assembly foods?
by NoRegrets inso i'm young enough to not remember having hot prepared meals at assemblies, but heard all about it from my parents and the like.
but what i do remember were all of the cold sandwiches and institutional snacks and soda.
remember the food tickets we started to use?
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Yeah, I remember the roast beef sandwiches, Shastas, and puddings. They were pretty much the highlight of the convention when I was young; that and checking out the hot sisters.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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To Strawberryfieldsforever - What you said about having children struck a chord with me. I remember my wife wanting to have children but wanting to wait until Paradise. I had already started having doubts about when the end would come since it was already almost a hundred years of waiting so I started encouraging her to think about starting a family now. I am glad we started. She is now talking about having another one.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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subytrek
Again, thanks for all the comments and advice. I will try to take it as slow as I can. It will be interesting to see how people treat me after the announcement is made and especially after the elders realize I won't be reaching out again. I also need to take it slow with my wife because even though she agrees with a lot of issues I've pointed out she still thinks it's the closest thing to the truth and wants to wait on Jehovah to clean it out. My dad sort of thinks along the same lines. I had similar thoughts earlier but the more I read on here and Ray Franz's books and other books the more I believe it's just a bunch of men making up stuff. But I have to tread carefully since I don't want to lose it all.
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JWs as willing Human Shields for WT owned Kingdom Halls?
by prologos inthis might only be a rumor at least 2 stages from source*:.
bethel speaker at circuit, or one-day do:.
"if asked, you should be ready to form a human chain between a mob and a kingdom hall.
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subytrek
I remember when we still had the book study and that we would meet there instead of the Kingdom Halls when we would be under persecution. Now we have to protect the Kingdom Halls?! I would say that's crazy but I'm sure it was probably said.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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To problemaddict - I'm not sure if there was any one thing that started me having doubts. But, thinking back I guess it could be traced back to one day I met a householder who knew about 1975 and called the FDS the false prophet. Being not even born at that time I defended the org. as best I could but she had printed out info. from the Internet that backed up what she said and would not back down. Later, I did what research I could using the orgs. material which was pretty much just a few paragraphs in the Proclaimer's book that even there admitted that they published statements stronger than warranted. To me that was significant. But, I wanted more info.
So, my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites. I figured the truth could stand up to lies so I came on here and other sites to learn more. I also started realizing the treadmill we are put on as Witnesses was just too much. And I really wondered if that was God really required. Once I started down that path it just seemed that more and more was exposed. The elder schools that didn't really equip me to handle people's problems but only to cover the org's butt. I found out about the Candace Conti case here first. Then I saw a short little news blurb on the jw media website which showed the case was real. Having a 9 month old girl myself I started wondering how could God accept that in his org?
That's when I wanted to step down as an elder and not have any responsibility legally or otherwise since I saw that could happen. The last elder school showed me they were still holding to the 2 witness rule and to call legal first instead of the police when child abuse is reported. I resolved in my heart to call the police first if ever confronted with that situation. Even my wife, who works in school and still believes, said that was wrong.
So, with all the pressure, burden, and the feeling that being an elder is a full time job on top of the full time job I already have and with my doubts I stepped down. I hope I can continue to do less and less.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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subytrek
Lied2NoMore - I hope I don't become too much of a target. I will use the discouragement and pressure card and probably have to make a certain amount of meetings and field service for a while before I can completely disappear.
I also notice the push for younger men to become MS and elders. I was one of them, appointed at 27 to be an elder. I thought I was young and I only accepted because I thought Jehovah was asking me. I still believed it all. Interestingly, my wife at the time told me she thought I was too young and didn't want me to be an elder. Also, one of the last elder meetings I went to the COBE pushed hard to recommend a young brother to be a MS in our cong. He is a good young man but he is only 16. The other elders didn't go along with it for a few reasons but the main one was he was too young. The COBE said that was not a good reason. But, if you look at the scriptures the org. refers you to dealing with elder and MS qualifications they don't speak of teenagers. They talk about men, husbands of one wife, etc. The COBE really wanted to recommend him though. I saw that as the org. getting desperate.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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subytrek
Thanks for all the comments. When I spoke to the body of elders I made no mention of doubts so I'm safe there. I just told them I needed more time with my family which is actually true. I already feel that a weight has been lifted. I had been doing the TMS school, a service meeting part almost every week, a public talk every month and this was all in a foreign lang. cong. Of course, the COBE said that when I felt ready I could be reappointed within 6 months right back to an elder. That is not going to happen.
To comatose - Thankfully, I wasn't completely gung ho for the org. and actually got a 2 year degree and have saved for 10 years already for retirement and plan on keeping it up. My wife got a 2 year degree also before I met her. She has been encouraging me to go back to college for a 4 year degree. I kind of want to but not sure what field I want to get into. I am doing a lot more thinking which I can actually do now that I'm off the treadmill.
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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subytrek
I am new here and this is my first post although I have lurked here for a couple years. I started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here I am. I just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago. The letter hasn't come back yet but I can't log in to the elder portion of the jw website so I think it's official. The burden was getting too great along with my doubts. I am a 31 year old born-in with a wife and a 9 month old baby. I am going to try to start fading and hopefully my wife will join me. I have already started expressing my doubts to her and she agrees with a lot of what I see wrong in the org. But, she likes the social part of it so breaking free will take some time. I have already read Crisis of Conscience and am currently reading In Search of Christian Freedom. They were eye opening and confirmed a number of things I suspected. I have talked to my dad, who is inactive along with my mom although they go to Sunday meetings, about stepping down and also about my doubts and he had many of the same concerns as I did. He remembers being told that his children wouldn't even have to go to school but now I have a family of my own and he has granchildren. This org. has told so many lies and used up and wasted peoples lives. I have already stopped giving donations for the last 2 years and mentally I'm out and I hope to be physically out eventually. So, that's a little about me and my experience.