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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Nemesis

Why don’t you just write to your religious leaders at the Watch Tower, and see what they have to say?

I can very well do just that, even as I have done in the past. But that's not what this is about. What's at stake here on this forum is YOUR credibility. YOU specifically accused You Know of not knowing what his own religion taught of late, that you even had advance knowledge of something that he was in the dark about. But as it turns out YOU haven't any proof to back up your claim, other than the word of another person ... which CAN BE simply nothing more than hearsay, or even heresy.

I simply asked you for evidence to support your statement that YOU made to You Know, while being in hopes that you had something substantial to back up what you said to him. I don't see that evidence, and so therefore you weren't justified in being so condemnatory in accusing him of not being up to date on what the Organization teaches regarding the illustration as found at Matthew 25.

Actually I did answer it, and said: “As for my profile, I haven’t put a detailed one up yet; but will give it some thought.”

No, that's not an answer at all. That's a slick evasion tactic you're using, in order to keep FROM answering the question. An answer would be something like: "For right now I prefer not to disclose such information about my personal beliefs and whether or not I'm affiliated with some religious group." Simply speak the truth, why do you find that so hard?

Your last comment makes me feel like I’m in a judicial hearing!

That's laughable! You mean to say that my asking you such a simple question as I did that you feel like you're in the hot seat? There must be something eating at you conscience, it would appear to me.

I will decide in my own time if I wish to give out any more info on myself.

As I've already suggested, that's something that you might of said to begin with, but didn't. But even then, if you have reason to be proud of your choice of denomination or whatever then what have you to hide?

Your comments leave me with the feeling that you only wish to know so as to somehow judge me, or categorize me, which I refuse to do.

Of course knowing for a certainty that you are part of the Bible Students Association would disclose much to me about YOU, even as your knowing that my preference being the WTS tells you a lot about ME. Don't you think it to be a little unfair for you to know such a thing about me while at the same time insisting that I remain in the dark about your affiliations?

I am under nobody’s authority here or at the Watch Tower, and I leave that organisations snooping and meddling far behind in my life—I have no desire to play to others to be judged here either.

In other words you're telling me to kiss your behind? Well let me tell you: You don't stand tall enough in order to make it possible for me to get down low enough to do that. Spiritual midgets need ladders, haven’t you heard?

Personally, I believe that YOU definitely owe You Know an apology for saying what you did to him. Are you man enough to do that?

I'm sorry that this has turned out the way that it has, as I really didn’t intend for it to. I approached you in a civil manner, only to have you take advantage of it and retaliate with the use of unkind remarks regarding MY religious preference, the WTS. While at the same time you wish to keep it a secret whether or not you're an affiliate of the BSA. You simply want to play hit and run, keeping yourself concealed from the danger of exposure. Okay, well I see the way it's going/got to be.

Last word: In that thread (over in the Bible Research section) which you addressed to You Know, you DEMANDED that he answer certain questions posed by you. You accused him of sidestepping those questions. Now here you do the same thing that you condemned him of doing, using the excuse that you don’t want to open yourself up to be judged etc. Like I've often heard said here on this forum, "Do you know how to spell hypocrite?"

Forget that I ever contacted you, please!

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Truth Defender

Thank you for your positive words, and attitude.

Yadirf

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

dungbeetle

Come on, get with it Yardfart ole' buddy!!!!

Are you suggesting that I haven't kept abreast of the WTS's teaching on the subject of the "sheep and goats" illustration? Apparently so! But really, in all that you've quoted out of the Society's literature, have you demonstrated that I was in fact behind? No, you haven't. How so? Because the material you posted only confirmed what I had already said in my post to Nemesis, above. Note what I had said above:

The last count I had was that rather than the sheep and the goats being separated presently it had been moved forward, but still to be fulfilled this side of Armageddon.

And is that not simply ALL that you've shown by your extensive post?

Is it not evident that you just like to rattle on, having nothing of substance to say actually? Surely so!

Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Nemesis

Thanks for explaining the basis for your having said to You Know that the WTS had "changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon."

So what it really boils down to is that *you heard* another person say what *she heard* ... which was ... that the WTS "were now saying the separation was post-Armageddon during the millennial reign and resurrection, not pre-Armageddon."

Well ... that may be true, and it may NOT be true. Personally I hope that it is true. However, there remains the possibility that, in spite of your friend being a person that "is well grounded", she might have misunderstood something said. Either that, or that some person had introduced their own independent thought about this (heresy) and she readily picked up on it. At any rate, until such 'evidence' appears officially in one of the WTS's publications it’s of course nothing more than at least hearsay, in my opinion -- which for the most part has no foundation since it can't be fully relied upon. But thanks just the same, and I will be interested to learn of any further correspondence you have with your "female witness friend" regarding this matter, particularly with regards to any *facts* that she happens across. As you can see by my signature at the bottom of this (and if you understand the gist of that scripture) I do have REASON to be interested in change.

Also, this part of my inquiry you didn't answer. I wondered if you simply forgot to, or preferred not to:

One more request: Since you have no biography in the “Who’s Who” section could you say a little bit about...whether or not you’ve joined a religious group since leaving the Organization, what major changes that you’ve made regarding your beliefs....

Of course I can only speculate that, because in your reply you referred me to an article found at the Bible Students Association website, you might possibly, but not necessarily, be affiliated with them.

Thanks again,
Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Nemesis

In a thread over in the “Bible Research” section you said to You Know:

Even the Watch Tower society now realises this, that’s why they changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon.

First I want to say that I agree with you regarding WHEN Jesus’ parable of the ‘sheep & goats’ finds fulfillment.

Also, I agree with you that those who died in the Flood will be resurrected as will those that die at Armageddon.

What I want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the WTS has changed its position “from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon” regarding the sheep/goat parable? Have I missed something here? The last count I had was that rather than the sheep and the goats being separated presently it had been moved forward, but still to be fulfilled this side of Armageddon. Please provide the source, and preferably a quote from that source, as to where you heard about this change that you refer to. I’m very interested in this.

One more request: Since you have no biography in the “Who’s Who” section could you say a little bit about your history as a JW, whether or not you’ve joined a religious group since leaving the Organization, what major changes that you’ve made regarding your beliefs, and whether or not you feel that you could ever again rejoin the WTS.

Thanks,
Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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Nemesis

by Yadirf in

nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Nemesis

I made the mistake of posting this here, when I meant to post it in the "Friends" section. I will repost it there, so please disregard this here and give your reply in the other section where you will find that I've reposted this.

Thanks,
Yadirf

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Nemesis

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nemesis .

in a thread over in the bible research section you said to you know:.

even the watch tower society now realises this, thats why they changed their teaching on the sheep and goats from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon.. first i want to say that i agree with you regarding when jesus parable of the sheep & goats finds fulfillment.. also, i agree with you that those who died in the flood will be resurrected as will those that die at armageddon.. what i want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the wts has changed its position from pre-armageddon, to post-armageddon regarding the sheep/goat parable?

Yadirf

Nemesis

In a thread over in the “Bible Research” section you said to You Know:

Even the Watch Tower society now realises this, that’s why they changed their teaching on the ‘sheep and goats’ from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon.

First I want to say that I agree with you regarding WHEN Jesus’ parable of the ‘sheep & goats’ finds fulfillment.

Also, I agree with you that those who died in the Flood will be resurrected as will those that die at Armageddon.

What I want to know though, is where did you get the idea that the WTS has changed its position “from pre-Armageddon, to post-Armageddon” regarding the sheep/goat parable? Have I missed something here? The last count I had was that rather than the sheep and the goats being separated presently it had been moved forward, but still to be fulfilled this side of Armageddon. Please provide the source, and preferably a quote from that source, as to where you heard about this change that you refer to. I’m very interested in this.

One more request: Since you have no biography in the “Who’s Who” section could you say a little bit about your history as a JW, whether or not you’ve joined a religious group since leaving the Organization, what major changes that you’ve made regarding your beliefs, and whether or not you feel that you could ever again rejoin the WTS.

Thanks,
Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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JW's are the slowest walkers in the world

by Unclepenn1 in

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that's all i wanted to say.

you can always spot them by the 'less than 1/2 miles per hour' they stroll down the street.

salvation by the hour.

Yadirf

2SYN

Yadirf (damn your name is hard to type!)

Sorry about that. I agree though, as I experienced the same problem in the beginning after I changed over from Friday to Yadirf.

I've been trying to make out what the picture under your screen name is exactly. Since it's so small I can't tell. Would you describe it for me please? Also, why "2SYN"? What does that mean?

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Budda Belly

I began making a reply to your post just before this one, but didn't get very far when I figured it best to postpone it. I just woke up from a nap and the medication I take for my neuropathy has left me extremely droggy. The Doc is weekly ramping me up to a much higher doseage, but it will be better after my bodily system adapts to it. So, I will try to complete my reply later ... that is, if my wife turns me loose long enough. It seems that her hobby/project (constructing a miniature city) requires my bandsaw skills.

Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

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Holy permits batman!!!

by Elsewhere in

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i was just reading through the codes for my city (irving, tx) and discovered something interesting: a person or organization must register with the city secretary's office before they can go house-to-house for religious reasons (aka, jehovah's witnesses going door-to-door).. .

article iv.

religious solicitations .

Yadirf

Elsewhere

Here's an abbreviated version of it:

* Religious solicitation * and solicitations for a religious purpose shall mean and include any course of conduct whereby any person....solicits property or financial assistance of any kind or sells or offers for sale any.... publication....on the plea....that such sale or solicitation or the proceeds therefrom are for a religious purpose....

Then this is what you said:

If they mention "financial assistance of any kind" (Donation) then they are soliciting. All I have to do is ask "how much does the publication cost?", and they will say, "Oh, it is on a donation basis".

You're obviously grasping at straws. Do you actually think that you could convince local authorities that Jehovah's Witnesses go to peoples homes for the purpose of seeking "financial assistance"? Do you really think that you could convince them that JWs go to peoples doors in hopes that they can go away having secured a "donation"? If you really do believe that, you are out of your ever-loving mind! I might remind you that more likely than not the very ones that you would be attempting to convince know first hand what JWs come to their door for. Are you so naive as to think that JWs haven't been to each of THEIR doors as well?

I'll repeat what I said earlier, since you seem to be hard of hearing. I said:

Such an ordinance doesn't apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, since they are NOT solicitors. A solicitor is someone who has come to the person's door for some personal, self-serving benefit. Such is not the case with the Ministerial activity of Jehovah's Witness, as they go to the homes of people to give of themselves, not to receive something from the householder.

I challenge you to go to the City Hall and file a complaint. I can assure you that you will go away having made a big fat ass of yourself. You'll be wishing you had been elsewhere, rather than down at the City Hall in Irving, Texas.

Yadirf

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Holy permits batman!!!

by Elsewhere in

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i was just reading through the codes for my city (irving, tx) and discovered something interesting: a person or organization must register with the city secretary's office before they can go house-to-house for religious reasons (aka, jehovah's witnesses going door-to-door).. .

article iv.

religious solicitations .

Yadirf

Budda Belly

I've talked about that before. Where have you been? Also, have you never paid any attention at all to my signature scripture? That, in itself, explains a lot of why I'm presently inactive. Actually though, technically I haven't been "inactive" entirely ... since I have invested many hours and months in producing documents that I share with my brothers in Brooklyn. Does that count? Well, of course that's not "going door to door" like you asked about is it? Look over my posts here at JW.com and I think you'll understand just why I've placed that on hold for the time being.

And, BTW, Budda sure DID have a "belly" didn't he!

Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.