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The Kingdom Interlinear Translation

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the kingdom interlinear translation (kit) has been published by the.

watchtower since 1969. it still is available in it's second editon.. but how many really use this book?

or read it?

Yadirf

Yeru

Still, the phrase COULD still refer to Earth quakes. "The earth shook" is, at least in English, not always synonomous with earthquakes. "As the elephant walked by the earth shook", is different from saying, "There was an earthquake yesterday".

You say "at least in English". Of course it must be remembered though that the thought was spoken in the Greek language. It would be nice if we were as familiar with the Greek as we are with the English. Apparently in Greek there was no word specifically to denote what we today commonly refer to as an earthquake. Of course you can appreciate that it's with regards to discussions such as this in which the Greek interlinears come in handy. I wouldn't won't to get caught without having one of some sort or another.

Many mistakenly think because the instrument that measures the intensity of earthquakes is called a seismograph, that the word seismos refers to earthquakes. The truth is, however, that in the Greek language seismos simply refers to the act of “shaking”, and that alone … having no reference to the thing being shaken insofar as identity … whatever the object might be. Matthew 8:24 is an example in which seismos obviously could not be rendered “earthquake”, forcing translators to comply strictly with the true meaning of the word. There we see that the “seismos” that “arose in the sea” was an “agitation” brought on by high “winds”. No thought, there, of such seismos being an earthquake.

It's no surprise, however, that the instrument that was invented to measure the intensity of an earthquake would be called a seismograph, because the silly thing does just that ... it measures the amount of shaking that is going on.

care to take a stab at the Staruous issue?

Not at the present. That's not my strong point anyway. That subject is not too fresh on my mind, if it ever was that is. I dealt with that a little again about a year or so ago and can't even remember at the moment what I had concluded, or if I had even reached any conclusions. My memory is going kapoot, I guess.

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The Kingdom Interlinear Translation

by VM44 in

jw
friends

the kingdom interlinear translation (kit) has been published by the.

watchtower since 1969. it still is available in it's second editon.. but how many really use this book?

or read it?

Yadirf

Yeru

Long time since we've exchanged blows. ;-)

If siesmos does NOT refer to earthquakes, what greek word IS commonly used for earthquakes?

Of course there is a word in Greek for “earth” (the Greek characters resembling our yn), and occurrences in which the earth ITSELF was the object affected by a seismos (shaking), it was even so specified. A case in point is Matthew 27:51, which according to the Revised Standard Version says: "...and the earth (yn) shook (seismos), and the rocks were split." Clearly, that which "shook" was indeed the earth. So, if Jesus had earthquakes in mind at Matthew 24:7 then why didn’t he make use of the Greek word for earth, using it in conjunction with the word that translates as “shaking”?

This, along with much more that I could say, makes it evident that the Greek word seismos, used by Jesus in Matthew 24:7, does not in itself mean “earthquakes”, nor does the context offer the slightest clue to lead us to such conclusion. So, Jesus did not include and foretell earthquakes as a feature of “the sign”. What he did say was: “…and there will be … shakings (seismos) in one place after another.” Therefore, “shakings” were to be among those events which, upon being observed, would alert and inform those anxiously awaiting Jesus’ return that such was close at hand, and that their “deliverance [was] getting near.” -- Luke 21:28; NWT.

Finally, since seismos simply means shakings, the question becomes: What is it that is due to shake? Of course, the clue is in the context itself. Had not Jesus’ discussion (starting with verse 7 of the 24th chapter of Matthew) revolved around such things as are common to man’s system and its governments. Certainly, nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom, food shortages, and pestilences (Luke’s} are all things linked with man’s system of self-rule. A parallel account to these prophecies of Jesus, recorded in the 6th chapter of Revelation in symbolic terms, verifies that these unprecedented problems would be the fate of man’s system just prior to Jesus’ return. As expected, in scrutinizing Revelation 6 the subject of earthquakes can’t be found -- only in verse 12 where in such instance the word seismos occurs, but which has been mistranslated “earthquake”. J. A. Seiss’ Revised Text became one exception to the rule by rendering seismos there as it properly should be rendered, namely “shaking”.

And so, it becomes quite apparent that what is to experience “shakings in one place after another” is none other than man’s system of self-government. Too, understanding what the “death-stroke” truly signifies -- due to come upon the 10-horned 7th head of the 7-headed beast of Revelation 13 -- nails man’s system as being the object of the “shakings” of which Jesus spoke. With the help of such enlightenment it becomes crystal clear that the seismos Jesus had in mind are those which man’s system is to suffer as a consequence of the concentrated influence of Satan (then earth-confined, Re 12:9, 12) upon earth’s inhabitants as he frantically uses every tool at his disposal, particularly the nations, in an attempt to thwart God’s advancing purpose for restoring his own rightful rule over the earth, which, since Adam’s rebellion, had been “delivered” (Luke 4:6) into Satan’s hands.

Yes, Yeru, the foundation of man’s worldwide system of self-rule is in for a “shaking -- even to the point of collapse* -- such being that which is pictured by the “death” of the beast of Revelation 13. I know that the principles I’ve alluded to here, Yeru, conflict with your idea that God approves of political involvement … but that’s just too bad for you is all I can say. You should get some eye salve.

*Such collapse, however, does not mean the immediate end of man’s system, since the “death-stroke got healed”. -- Revelation 13:3, 12, 14.

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SAW A PEDOPHILE TODAY

by TR in

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today, while in a hardware store, i saw a guy that i know was a pedophile when i was a kid.

he was in a check out stand next to mine when i saw him.

i recognized him immediately, even after 30 years.

Yadirf

Wendy

You know sumpin', Wendy, you should be goin' by the name Windy instead.

Thanks fer puttin' me in my damn place!

You say, "This is not the first time I have seen you walk all over a person's feelings..."

Well let me ask you, Windy, have you ever noticed any of your friends here doing what you've charged me with. I can be as kind-hearted as the next person, and more soft-hearted than most. But if your asking me to take the crap that your friends dish out to me and a few others and just lay down and pee like a frightened dog, then you're not gonna get your wishes. I'm NOT a pacifist. For that reason you will likely "see it again".

Like I expressed previously, I regretted having joked around with you in that thread where you spoken concerning your daughter. I had already blundered without having read all the comments so as to know. I would like to know more about your situation and what ails your daughter. Is there a thread that you have discussed such things that you could point me to?

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SAW A PEDOPHILE TODAY

by TR in

jw
friends

today, while in a hardware store, i saw a guy that i know was a pedophile when i was a kid.

he was in a check out stand next to mine when i saw him.

i recognized him immediately, even after 30 years.

Yadirf

TR

Thank you for being rather decent in your last post, you do have a civil side to yourself. Also, nice lookin' puppy.

Insofar as feeling the need to carry a weapon, speaking for myself of course, I've never felt the need. However, the thought occured to me that there may be a positive side to the fact that there are some law-abiding people, other than the police, that carry a weapon too. If the crooks KNOW that they aren't the only ones with them it might (I said might) be a deterrent to their being so quick to use their own, being that for all they know they could be up against someone as equally armed.

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SAW A PEDOPHILE TODAY

by TR in

jw
friends

today, while in a hardware store, i saw a guy that i know was a pedophile when i was a kid.

he was in a check out stand next to mine when i saw him.

i recognized him immediately, even after 30 years.

Yadirf

Englishbum

Well, the thought of anyone walking around with a firearm in their jacket scares the hell out of me.

In your case, Englishbum, I can well imagine why you would experience that emotion. ;-)

Question #1: How many beers can you consume before needing to go tinkle?
Question #2: Does as much come out as goes in?
Question #3: What's the color of your eyes?
Question #4: What made you decide to become a bum?

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SAW A PEDOPHILE TODAY

by TR in

jw
friends

today, while in a hardware store, i saw a guy that i know was a pedophile when i was a kid.

he was in a check out stand next to mine when i saw him.

i recognized him immediately, even after 30 years.

Yadirf

Wendy

I just wish to hell if your gonna call me a name that you'd learn how to spell it correctly. The correct spelling is nincompoop, dummy.

Too, it grips the hell out of me why you can't get by in simply making your comments without feeling the need to put another person down. Yes, it's quite obvious that a line is drawn in the sand here on this forum and its just as obvious which side your on. So, tell me now, Mommy, what's wrong wif yo eyes?

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Are These the Last Days?

by individual in

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does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?

all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?

for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.

Yadirf

Copernicus

Of course, I guess I could join you and the other self-ordained prognosticators here and resort to posting my own ramblings and musings as to what portions of it mean.

If I had no more confidence in what I thought than what you indicate about yourself here I believe I’d keep my mouth shut too.

More proof? ROTFL! Prove to YOU and ALL onlookers? Prove what?

Quit hiding behind nonsense, you know what I said. I said, “Prove to me and all other onlookers that I’ve misinterpreted Daniel 11:35.” One way you can do that is to explain how the verse should be understood according to your perception of it. Now get busy, or else shut yer trap (the flies are getting in) … after admitting first of course that you haven’t the faintest idea regarding what it means.

By the way, wasn’t it the Pharisees who kept demanding proofs? Hopefully the parallels won’t escape you.

What an excuse for getting out of a jam. Shoot, my puppy could think of much better outs than that.

Daniel 11:35 makes reference to “the time of the end”. Before I answer your questions, prove to me and all onlookers that we’re in this specified time period. Unless you can do so, your argument and your interpretation is moot, and undeserving of further comment. Considering the assertions you’ve made, that particular burden of proof falls on you. And I’ll be right here waiting.

The “time of the end” hasn’t begun yet. According to Daniel 11:35 such “time of the end” is not reached until the “refining work” mentioned in that same verse has been accomplished.

Yes, somehow “those who get the ball rolling so as to affect a needed change in the Society’s teachings” are those who have absolutely no influence whatsoever on policy, or the levers of power. How they “get this ball rolling” has yet to be explained.
Yes, how DO they get the ball rolling? Do tell.

You’ll know it when you see it.

Friday,
going contrary to the lords good advice by giving that which is holy to a dog. -- Matthew 7:6.

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Are These the Last Days?

by individual in

jw
friends

does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?

all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?

for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.

Yadirf

Thirdson

This is just a little something for you to chew on with regards to a few verses of the 11th chapter of Daniel.
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What’s what?
(A verse by verse consideration)

Verses 30b and 31 foretold the destruction of the Jewish temple by Rome that took place in 70 C.E. -- a consequence of the Jews failure to stay true to the old Law covenant, which finally culminated in their rejection of Jesus as the Messiah.

Verse 32: Here, time has moved forward into the 4th century. By this time there are many who claim to be under the new covenant (instituted by Christ) that have become something less than staunch defenders of genuine Christianity. Such ones were led into “apostasy” when Roman emperor Constantine decreed that Christianity (in reality a mock imitation of the real thing) was to become the state religion. This marked the birth of Christendom. -- Matthew 13:24-30.

Verses 32b thru 35 apply to the history of genuine Christianity throughout the centuries, intersecting our day, and up to the time of the "eighth king" of verse 36. -- Revelation 17:11.

Verse 33 particularly fits the period since the latter part of the 19th century. The movement that began with C. T. Russell in the 1870s at times enjoyed an increase in the amount of 1000 persons per day added to their ranks as the result of the disciple making activity. Unlike Christendom, every individual sees Jesus’ instructions at Matthew 28:19-20 as applying to them personally.

Verse 33b well describes the tribulations which modern day Christians have endured. -- See the 750-page book, Jehovah’s Witnesses -- Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom (1993).

Verse 34a attributes their survival to divine intervention and assistance. -- 2 Corinthians 4:9.

Verse 34b indicates that among genuine Christians there would be those whose association is motivated by selfishness rather than out of a love for God and the doing of his will.

Verse 35 indicates that somewhat late in the history of man’s system of self-rule, but before its “time of the end,” “some” fellow Christians would take exception to what they discern to be erroneous concepts regarding what is being taught about such “time of the end.”

Verse 36 describes a future one-world government that will attack genuine Christianity in an attempt to exterminate it (vs 44).

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Are These the Last Days?

by individual in

jw
friends

does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?

all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?

for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.

Yadirf

To Larcboy again:

Here's one example of where I called the Society's attention to my understanding of Daniel 11:35. It's a page to my personal web site that contains a letter with its accompanying document that I mailed to them in 1999.

http://4heavens.homestead.com/9.html

Friday

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Are These the Last Days?

by individual in

jw
friends

does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?

all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?

for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.

Yadirf

Larcboy

Yes, I have.