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  A possible way to get JWs info w/out incriminating oneself?

  by ithinkisee in

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  i have an idea on how to get information in a way that won't get you identified ... i wanted to put it to this forum for scrutiny before i actually put it into practice.

  i am on several people's jw spam list.

  .meaning they constantly send me the same things that go around in other circles, like the "send this to five friends" or they send the scriptures for the week's book study, or they send a "jws in the news" article or something like that.

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  FreeWilly

  Ithinkisee, you have a PM
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  A possible way to get JWs info w/out incriminating oneself?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have an idea on how to get information in a way that won't get you identified ... i wanted to put it to this forum for scrutiny before i actually put it into practice.

  i am on several people's jw spam list.

  .meaning they constantly send me the same things that go around in other circles, like the "send this to five friends" or they send the scriptures for the week's book study, or they send a "jws in the news" article or something like that.

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  FreeWilly

  What the heck, I've thought of the same thing. You could write a fake letter from a Bethelite about the Tsunami Disaster in the Indian Ocean. Somehow weave in the WT/NGO association in it and connect it with logistical difficulties they are having providing humanitarian relief now that they have disassociated from the UN. Send them the link to the UN page too. End the whole thing with some sort of upbuilding "I'm so glad to be in the Borg crap" You could get creative!
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  New brother in here!

  by defd in

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  hey yall just wanted to say hi.

  today is my 1st day here.

  i hope this is a good site for jehovahs people.

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  FreeWilly

  Will Def'd answer any questions about his faith?? I know Jesus, Paul and the other Apostles did all the time, many times - even those of his 'opposers'.

  Come on Def'd, Some of us need answers. Are you turning your back on us? Will I be executed?
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  New brother in here!

  by defd in

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  hey yall just wanted to say hi.

  today is my 1st day here.

  i hope this is a good site for jehovahs people.

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  FreeWilly

  Hey Def'd

  I'm still trying to make up my mind about JW's. Somethings been bothering me and I wonder how you handle this.... The folks I have studied with tell me that the Society is directed by Jehovah and is his mouthpiece on Earth, however, a friend at work has also shown me Watchtower magazines where they have predicted the end of the world, like in 1914, 1925, and 1975. In one of the articles it even refered to these as "Gods dates, not mans".

  Now, I know people make mistakes, but Jehovah doesn't. So if they said these things, they couldn't have received it from Jehovah could they? And doesn't Dueteronomy 18:20-22 warn us about false messengers?

  Maybe you can help me sort this out?

  Thanks!

  -FW
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  New brother in here!

  by defd in

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  hey yall just wanted to say hi.

  today is my 1st day here.

  i hope this is a good site for jehovahs people.

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  FreeWilly

  Hey welcome to the board!

  It sounds like you are one sharp fellow. I doubt anyone could get something by you! You keen eye for detail is no doubt what led you to Jehobah's precious truths!
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  Why would you want to kill the org?

  by what_Truth? in

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  i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

  i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

  still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

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  Isn't it better just to let them be blissfully ignorant?

  Yeah probably so for some JW's, especially older, deeply entrenched ones.

  The only problem is ex-JW's are usually in the position of defending their skepticism of the Society. For me, I get irritated when family members actual try to look down on me when in reality they are the naive schmucks who have been duped. Once that happens I then try to compell them to at least acknowlege the point. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were not confronted by it, I doubt I would seek to dissuade anyone unless they asked and were receptive. The only exception might be someone who is young or just became acquainted with JW's.

  So, while ignorance is bliss, arrogance will get you a (spiritual) punch in the nose!
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  Jehovahs Witness and the internet

  by Dragonlady76 in

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  2. beliefs

  i was reading another thread of the high # of defections within the org, and this lead me to question:.

  when and if, do you think the org will totally ban jw's use of the internet?.

  i think it will happen, they are starting to see a big drop and need to curtail it some how, and they know that many surf the web and come across sites like this, and once people discover all the coverups and the "new light" stuff and personal stories, their are going to be questions that lead to being df'd or da's.

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  I think the internet will either: 1) continue the slow bleed of JW's to greater obscurity. 2) force them to change, become more mainstream and finally admit they don't speak for God or have special insight. I think they latter is inevitable especially when the "old guard" passes.
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  I debated with my "devout" JW mom and her JW elders for 5 hours

  by booker-t in

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  as most of you know by now i have told you that my mom has been a "devout" jw for over 40 years and i can't get her to budge.

  well the last time we debated she left me totally confused and in a daze.

  i did some fast research and this past sunday we had a free-for-all debate that lasted 5 hours.

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  FreeWilly

  Hey Booker-t,

  Follow up by writing your mom a carefully researched letter on the prophet issue. You know, where they say: "these are gods dates not mans", "God touches their lips to pronounce glorious bs..." and other gems. Compare it with Scriptures (duet 20, Luke 21:8, etc)

  This puts it on YOUR terms.

  -F W
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  Is Walmart right or wrong?

  by JH in

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  here in quebec, walmart decided to close a walmart store because the 190 employees wanted to become unionized.

  walmart said that they weren't making money at that store, and that's why they are closing.

  we all know that the real reason why walmart wants to close is because the employees want to be unionized.. in this day and age, do you think that walmart is right, or the employees?.

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  FreeWilly

  I think it's great! True, Walmart is in it to make money, but so are the employees. Hell who isn't. I don't see what's so sacred about a mega-corporation harvesting as much profit as possible with little regard for the people that enable them to do so. Obviously the employees were willing to take the risk. Now maybe someone local can benefit from the $$ spent in their community on general goods rather than some foriegn multinational Company.
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  I'm thinking of going back

  by Smoky in

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  over the weekend my cousin came to visit from mi, and her husband (elder) started to do his shepperding thing with me (have not attended meetings for over 1 year), and made a compeling argument about how the holy spirit is given by god only if you attend meeting and go to field service...etc, etc.

  and the whole "faith and works" issue.

  it was a different angle that i have never heard before, about me being a "instrument or tool" of god...blah, blah, blah... anyhow, it got me thinking about going back...especially when things are not going to well for me right now... (he said its because i left jehovah).. how can i convince myself that this is not true?

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  FreeWilly

  I have to agree with DH. You are (literally) asking to be manipulated. People of this mental state are vulnerable to high control groups that promise to make everything better.

  For example, your friend offered what you believe to be a convincing argument, i.e Jehovah?s Spirit is gained through meeting attendance, without any mention of the proof of this claim. Since meeting attendance is so pivotal to salvation, surely it is explained in great detail in scripture - right? Certainly, Jesus and the Apostles would not be so incompetent to have left this out. Surely your friend isn?t hanging his entire argument on "don't forsake the gathering of yourselves together" - correct? Do you recall the Bible chapters that explain the Holy Spirit's dependence on meeting attendance? If so please post them. My guess is that since this correlation is found nowhere in scripture, your friend can only cut-and-paste scriptures together, along with healthy doses of "reasoning" to come to this conclusion. Recall this technique has gotten JW's in all sorts of dilemmas from Pyramidology to Doomsday.

  If you are going back at least admit to yourself why you are doing so. It doesn't sound like you are returning because of a conclusive study of the evidence. It sounds like you desire the social rewards of returning to the fold. You will return as a "prodigal son", welcomed, praised and "love bombed" by all (at least for the time being). You will instantly gain psuedo-friends (contingent, of course, on you membership). You will hear comforting sermons reassuring your righteous decision.

  I would say you are only postponing disappointment. Seek real friends, not conditional one's. Find real meaning in life, not a well-sold story. And most importantly, take control of your life's direction -don't delegate this to others.