Posts by FreeWilly

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Something I want to tell you apostates

by LeftBehind in

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i want you to know that you have destroyed a family because of your lies about jehovah and his organization.

a family member went apostate and has turned his back on jehovah.

he told us he is never coming back and i know he went and visited internet sites.

Did Jehovah tell the first lie?

by nicolaou in

did god lie to adam?

the watchtower, and in fairness all other christian groups, claim that satan told the first lie when he told eve, "you positively will not die".

but was it a lie?

FreeWilly

DF'd: The day they ate of that fruit the dying process began.

Uhhhh..... Excuse me,..... but God(s) purposely killed Adam and Eve.

Gen 3:22 "And the Lord God said, “Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, ......(if you put your ear up to the Bible at this scripture you can here Satan saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!" )......he must not be allowed to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God expelled him from the orchard in Eden"

Wow, God starved his own Babies! -Nice

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Anyone wanna......................

by defd in

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talk over the phone hit me up pm and we will talk.. i dont bite.

def d

FreeWilly

Hey, I workin graves too!

Btw, when I was at Bethel it was sooo comical how many new brothers felt it necessary to claim they were "from the hood". Df'd, were you ever at "the big house"?

So Df'd, what do you want to talk about?

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Leaving JWs Has Made Me Intolerant of Stupid Thinking - How About U?

by Seeker4 in

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lori (my girlfriend - a non-jw).

and i had quite a discussion last night.

i am almost always a very tolerant, easygoing person, but there is this one aspect of my personality that has caused us a certain amount of tension.

FreeWilly

On the outside I think I'm still fairly tolerant, albeit slightly less.

But on the inside sometimes it's torture. I just have to keep telling myself "Remember, you used to believe stupid sh*t too"!!

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For "Leftbehind"

by FreeWilly in

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hi leftbehind and welcome to the board!

you've made quite a splash and probably received a few harsh replies (including mine).

despite my honest reply, i'm glad you've stuck around.

FreeWilly

Hi Leftbehind and welcome to the board! You've made quite a splash and probably received a few harsh replies (including mine). Despite my honest reply, I'm glad you've stuck around. You appear deeply and sincerely troubled by your family members exit from the Watchtower Society, and the kingdom hall. The answers you seek can be found here as long as you show people the same respect you would like shown to you. Please understand the I, and I suspect most people here, are quite content if people remain JW's. If, after thoroughly researching matters, someone finds that this is the best religion for them, then that's great. (if I may speak for all of us) We do take issue with the Society forbidding a thorough investigation of ALL aspects of this human organization. You will have a hard time getting most of us to unlearn what we've come to know through research. I doubt you will ever get someone to succumb to the level of control and manipulation that was once exerted on our lives.

The key is understanding. As you try to understand the underlying issues that may have affected you family member's exit, also take this time to understand your own situation. Are there things in your mind you will never question? Are there possibilities to uncomfortable for you to entertain? Let's say for the sake of discussion that there are some people who can not even entertain the possibility that the organization or system of worship they belong to might be unhealthy. Let's also say that these same people have had it reinforced over and over to be immediately suspicious of anyone or anything that poses a threat to this authority. And let’s say this loyalty is so strong that even unflattering comments trigger a personal and sometimes emotion response similar to a malicious insult leveled at a close relative. How would people who think and act this way have faired when Israelite judges, kings and priests became wayward? How would these people have managed when Jesus taught what was considered an apostate version of Judaism? How would these same people fare if they belong to any one of the numerous churches today? Is it reasonable to think that people who are so adamantly sure of their organization would follow it even if it led them off course?

I'm not going to bring up any faults or scandals of the Watchtower Society. I'm sure you are capable of investigating those issues on your own. I would like to bring up a few things that, if the Society took a wayward course, would make those who follow it extremely vulnerable to follow this wayward course.

These are a few things that could make someone vulnerable:

Vigorously reject all arguments against the Society's authority. Do you see how the Society is so emphatic about never entertaining or researching anything that "undermines" their authority? Can you recall any Human representative or organization in the Bible that so emphatically and jealously guarded their human authority? Can you see how, if successful with this teaching, the Society could maintain a loyal following, without questioning, even if they were to stray?

The Watchtower Society is the ONLY reliable source of information.

Think about it

If a Television program features a report that is unflattering of the Watchtower Society, what is the typical response? Isn't it something along the lines of "Satan is using the media to mislead the world"?

If a Scientist publishes material that goes contrary to a theory the Society holds dear what is the response? Isn't it considered "Worldly wisdom that shows not faith in Jehovah or his written word"?

If a Theological scholar comes to conclusion contrary to the Society isn't the response something along the lines of "Satan has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers"?

If a former JW dares to speak out against the Society, isn't it "they are beating their former masters" or "returning to their own vomit"?

Can you think of any source outside of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that is considered valid? Do you see how this might leave a person vulnerable to the possibility of manipulation?

The Watchtower Society is Gods mouthpiece. Can you see how this essentially gives the organization authority equal to that of God himself? If this is to be believed, than nothing they say should be disobeyed, questioned or spoken against. Do you see how this could leave a person vulnerable if the Society went astray? Most of the New Testament is speaks about the Society

When you examine all of the books written by the Society, isn't it odd that nearly everything has secondary, "modern day fulfillment" or meaning that supposedly applies the the Society?

Re-read the "Greatest Man" book and notice how many times parables and prophecies are interpreted to apply to themselves.

Notice how many times the Society applies a dual meaning to scriptures. For example Daniel 4:24 shows the prophet Daniel giving a clear interpretation, meaning, and application to Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. Yet the Society manages to extract an alternate interpretation that apparently escaped the notice of Jesus, his Apostles and other Bible writers.

Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Only the New World Translation is accurate.

Can you see how convenient the New World Translation would be for supporting Watchtower teachings? The entire World is wrong, but the Society is right Does it make sense that God will need to kill 99.9% of his children ?

Avoid former members and what they might say like the plague!

Perhaps just another tool to keep members inside the bubble?

Just try to think about these things and ask yourself if this "arrangement" places an awful amount of trust in other people.

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Time again for........ Congregation roll call

by Jourles in

it's been a while since this topic has been brought up.

use it as a chance to see if there is someone you might know from years past.

1973-1976 --- lakeside, ca??

FreeWilly

Dunnellon, FL 1985-1987

Crystal River, FL 1999-2000

Westland, OH (Columbus area) 1992-1995

Milford, PA 1995-1999

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UPDATE, my reply to a crack-pot JW

by FreeWilly in

this is my reply to the jw who began writing me after i posted a comment on the msn story.

it's a progression of this thread .

then they reversed it here: [organ transplants] are a matter for conscientious decision by each one of jehovah's witnesses...there is no biblical command pointedly forbidding the taking in of other human tissue.- watchtower 1980 march 15 p.31 **** sorry steve, the position has changed.

FreeWilly

AK-Jeff,

There was a news article on MSN.com that had a story about JW's helping re-roof fellow JW's homes after hurricane Katrina hit. At the bottom of that article it had a comments section. After many JW's starting peeing all over themselves at how righteous they were, I felt compelled to paint the rest of the picture. I left my comments too which required my email address for replies.

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I need help refuting a very common and stupid jw argument

by Check_Your_Premises in

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"if you participate in activity x it will leave less time for spiritual activities"

this i think is a false "or" type of fallacy.

as if our choices are a matter of choosing between non-spiritual or spiritual activities exclusively.

FreeWilly

Just read them this scripture.

" Having heard everything, I have reached this conclusion: Fear God and keep his commandments, because this is the whole duty of man." Eccl 12:13 :

I don't see "activity X" in there do you?

If they keep on about it, flip over to Eccl Chapter 3:

(It reads better when you sing it in tune with the 60's song that borrows it)

A Time for Everything

1 There is a time for everything,

and a season for every activity under heaven:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,

a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3 a time to kill and a time to heal,

a time to tear down and a time to build,

4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,

a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,

a time to embrace and a time to refrain, -Also- 12 I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live.

And so on. Just keep singing and reading until they say "OK, OK I GET IT DAMMIT!!"

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response to JW guy (another one from that MSN thread...)

by doogie in

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freewilly just posted some entertaining shtuff from a new friend he made on that msn jw thread.

i posted on there too and new friends are just coming out of the woodwork!

it seems like everyday there's another handful of messages from these jw defenders (some of them are unbelievably mean too!).

FreeWilly

I'm glad to see they're speading the love Doggie!

I got into the blood issue with one as well (awhile ago). Some notes from that converstaion...

God does allow people to eat blood everyday (fat and red meat)

King David was allowed to defile the temple by eating the showbread because that act would save his life. Jesus used this example and quoted "I want mercy not Sacrifice" to the Pharasees. Clearly life was more important than symbolism in these cases. In contrast, Jw's choose "sacrifice" when they let their kids die instead. It's pathetic to think that a loving God would prefer this.

JW's can't donate "blood fractions", but they can take them. Every time a JW's life is saved from a "blood fraction" transfusion, they owe their life to a "worldly person" who donated that blood.

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UPDATE, my reply to a crack-pot JW

by FreeWilly in

this is my reply to the jw who began writing me after i posted a comment on the msn story.

it's a progression of this thread .

then they reversed it here: [organ transplants] are a matter for conscientious decision by each one of jehovah's witnesses...there is no biblical command pointedly forbidding the taking in of other human tissue.- watchtower 1980 march 15 p.31 **** sorry steve, the position has changed.

FreeWilly

Odrade, I see you were impressed with his "utmost logic" too. This guy is a real hoot!

FF, so far my blood pressure is fine. It's hard to take this guy seriously. He's obviously an old-school foot-in-the-door JW. But you're right, this mental masterbation really is a waste of time.

His reply should be interesting. I'll keep you posted.