Leolaia

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  Necromancy and the god Wada'anu/Addu

  by Leolaia in

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  according to leviticus 20:27, "any man or woman who has a ghost ('wb) or who has a familiar spirit (yd'ny) will be put to death".

  the law in deuteronomy 18:11 also commands the israelites to not "consult ghosts (ws'l 'wb) nor familiar spirits (wyd'ny), nor attempt to communicate with the dead (wdrs 'l-hmtym)".

  in 1 samuel 28:7-13, the spirit medium of en-dor "consulted ghosts ('wb)".

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  Hi.
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  Carl Jung and the Collective Unconscious,,Myths and Archetypes.

  by frankiespeakin in

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  leolaia...recomended to me carl jung so i did a little search,,i find his theory of the collective unconscious fasinating here is a neat essay on the subject:.

  http://lcc.ctc.edu/faculty/dmccarthy/engl204/seven-lecture.htm

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  Carl Jung and the Collective Unconscious,,Myths and Archetypes.

  by frankiespeakin in

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  leolaia...recomended to me carl jung so i did a little search,,i find his theory of the collective unconscious fasinating here is a neat essay on the subject:.

  http://lcc.ctc.edu/faculty/dmccarthy/engl204/seven-lecture.htm

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  Synchronicity stories are great. Anyone have any more from their own experience?
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  Is WTS wrong Christianity flawed?

  by XQsThaiPoes in

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  i notice the most qouted parts by the wts is the ot and the epistles .

  all there rules are reinforcements of what is already there.

  infact the letters to the early congregations are very watchtowerish.

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  Leolaia

  Hey, that's a very interesting point. The WTS always just uses "inherits the kingdom of God" to refer to everyone who will see the Paradise Earth, though technically the language of "inheriting" should really just refer to their posited "little flock". Nice. Another point is that dead fornicators, murderers, etc. would be resurrected anyway into the "imaginary" Paradise Earth; that is, the very individuals living in Paul's day who rejected the counsel of Paul and who died in their sins unrepentent, will still see the Paradise Earth and have a chance to live forever.
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  Is Gilligan really Satan?

  by simplesally in

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  anybody ever see this site?.

  the 7 deadly sins as seen thru the castaways!

  its a good laugh...but you can see how easy it is to make anyone, i mean just anyone, out to be "satan"!.

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  Leolaia

  "Ginger isn't Ginger anymore, Ginger is Mary Ann. Mary Ann isn't Mary Ann anymore, she's the Professor"

  Reminds me of Barbara Thiering.
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  Is WTS wrong Christianity flawed?

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
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  i notice the most qouted parts by the wts is the ot and the epistles .

  all there rules are reinforcements of what is already there.

  infact the letters to the early congregations are very watchtowerish.

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  Leolaia

  I agree with you, except that there were many different Christianities in the first two centuries, and the theory of salvation and eschatology that you describe is really only representative of the kind of Christianity that was adopted as orthodox and survived to dominate the next two millennia. I am quite partial to Ebionism which focuses on an ethical Christianity by following the non-eschatological moral teaching of the synoptic Jesus, which lacked an orthodox doctrine of the atonement (which is based on the death of Jesus instead of following Jesus' counsel), resurrection (believing in a spiritual salvation from death like the patriarchs of old and regarding the "sightings" of the risen Jesus as visions and dreams), and a "second coming". I would view such a Christianity as better adapted to modern life than what you describe. Too bad that it pretty much died out (especially since it is the kind of Jewish-Christianity ideologically associated with James the Just and Peter).
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  What Are Things Jehovah's Witnesses Peculiarly Do?

  by minimus in

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  jws seem to be preoccupied with "the world".

  if a witness does anything out of line----they are considered "worldly".

  she's "worldly".

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  Sleeping in on a Saturday morning on a regular basis. Very, very untheocratic and worldly that is!
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  Is the Watchtower "Bent " Towards the Elderly?

  by metatron in

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  i cannot find fault with the watchtower's attempts to get congregations to be considerate of the elderly - that's a good thing.. .

  however, a recent post about the elderly donating their property to the watchtower raises a disturbing thought.

  are they deliberately.

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  Leolaia

  Great post, metratron.....I think you are absolutely correct.
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  Carl Jung and the Collective Unconscious,,Myths and Archetypes.

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. beliefs

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  leolaia...recomended to me carl jung so i did a little search,,i find his theory of the collective unconscious fasinating here is a neat essay on the subject:.

  http://lcc.ctc.edu/faculty/dmccarthy/engl204/seven-lecture.htm

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  I agree. That's what I meant when I said that "most of apparent synchronicity appears to just be a combination of constructing meaning through interpretation and ordinary plain statistical chance which guarantees the not-too-infrequent occurrence of "remarkable" coincidences." That doesn't detract in the slightest from the personal meaning such an experience can have; through the emotional power of such an experience, the mind resists integrating such a departure from the ordinary ho-hum of everyday life with everything else that has happened to the individual. Even someone versed in statistical probability can still marvel at the remarkableness of the experience.
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  The resurrection of Jesus Christ

  by enquirer in

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  hello, this is my first post.

  i hope i will receive some answers to my question.

  the lord jesus christ rose from the dead to die no more.

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  Leolaia

  Why did some not recognize Jesus at first? (Luke 24:15-32) How did Jesus just "appear" to some in a room, even though the doors were locked? (John 20:26,27)

  Because some of the older epiphany stories were proto-docetic. The quasi-docetic narrative in Luke 24:15-32 was followed by a corrective story in v. 36-43 which insisted on the fleshly corporeality of Jesus: "Look at my hands and feet; yes, it is I indeed. Touch me and see for yourselves; a ghost has no flesh and bones as you can see I have" (Luke 24:39). That is the purpose of the Thomas story in John as well, to rule out a docetic interpretation. Docetism is condemned as the teaching of the Antichrist in 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7, and Ignatius uses a similar resurrection story to refute docetic doctrine:

  "He truly suffered just as he truly raised himself -- not, as certain unbelievers say, in apperance only for it is they who exist in appearance only! Indeed, their fate will be determined by what they think: they will become disembodied as a phantom. For I know and believe that he was in the flesh even after the resurrection, and when he came to Peter and those with him, he said to them: 'Take hold of me; handle me and see that I am not a disembodied phantom'. And immediately they touched him and believed, being closely united with his flesh and blood. For this reason they too despised death; indeed, they proved to be greater than death. And after his resurrection he ate and drank with them like one who is composed of flesh, although spiritually he was united with the Father" (Smyrnaeans 2:1-3:3)

  Viewing such stories as trickery on the part of Jesus is to adopt the very the docetic perspective disputed in these texts. Paul, drawing on proto-gnosticism, was not entirely free of docetism, but he clearly did not regard resurrection as involving the abandonment of the fleshly body but rather its transformation into a spiritual body. He says "flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven" but this does not mean that "flesh and blood" is merely abandoned; rather the living like the formerly dead Jesus "shall be changed" so that "our present perishable nature must put on imperishability" (1 Corinthians 15:45-53). 1 Peter 3:18 clearly refutes the idea that Jesus was a docetic phantom in life, while the point of saying he was "made alive in spirit" is that Jesus is ALIVE, through the aegis of spirit he is ALIVE. There is no explicit "phantom" concept here; the more natural notion is that Jesus' "flesh" was enlivened and revived through a return of spirit, like the breath of God returning to Adam's nostrils in creation. No abandonment of the fleshly body, as the WTS teaches.

  Maybe Jesus appeared to the Doubting Thomas in human form, for his benifit.......

  That's outright docetism.