Wow. great topic. I've never understood how an invisible, uncommunicative being could somehow deserve the intimate title of "father". Harkening back to my childhood when we studied the Revelation Climax book, I always thought of God as more like the grim reaper. He stands ever ready to allow his angels to release the four bowls of his wrath upon his own children whom he has left to their own devices for thousands of years. That book gave me shudders both then and now.
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Another reason god is a terrible "father"
by _Morpheus inits easy to look around and say if a singular all powerful were real he would stop the suffering of man and animal, a position i support.
however there is another even more basic premise i have pondered at times as well (im sure im not the first of course) : would any loving parent ever hide from their children?
consider it... our all knowing all loving father hides from us even though we cry out to know him.
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Am I the only "witness here besides the admins?
by TheOnlyRealWittnessHere inwith all the negativity here i was wondering if i am the only one here that's a witness.
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the topic pretty much says everything..
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I've been inactive for months and probably will be inactive for the rest of my life. This new brand of JW just sickens me. That being said, I still feel like I'm a witness. My friends, my family are all witnesses and being a witness is all I have ever known up until now. I'm waiting and watching world events while sitting on the fence I guess. -
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"Jehovah clearly answered my prayer!"
by stuckinarut2 inso the fade is progressing well.... however, it has been noticed by the 'hounders', who i know will be "following up" with us soon i'm sure.. so i have thought of a way of shutting down the questions etc.... if they ask about things like meeting attendance and field activity, i am going to say something like:.
"oh, thanks for your interest and concern brothers.
this means a lot.
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I just tell them now that the earthquake in Nepal is just one more reason on top of a stack of reasons why I no longer believe God is loving or even exists. Everyday I creep closer and closer to becoming an atheist... -
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"Jehovah clearly answered my prayer!"
by stuckinarut2 inso the fade is progressing well.... however, it has been noticed by the 'hounders', who i know will be "following up" with us soon i'm sure.. so i have thought of a way of shutting down the questions etc.... if they ask about things like meeting attendance and field activity, i am going to say something like:.
"oh, thanks for your interest and concern brothers.
this means a lot.
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I know the feeling Stuckinarut2. I went ballistic on the last elder who called me. I wish I hadn't, but what is done is done. It's only a matter of time before they get their isht together and come after me. If it weren't for my mother still being in I'd cut ties with everything. As of now, all I can do is avoid them like the plague and plaster a fake smile on my face when someone comes for a visit while out in service. -
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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?
by Viviane inseveral times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.
i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.
indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.
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There will always be a place for religion as long as evil continues. Religion is for those who hate the idea of a finite life span. Religion is for those who need an answer (regardless of it being provable or not) as to why evil and suffering exists. Religion provides hope just as a good movie or book can provide hope and inspiration. Yet, more than a book or movie, religion provides that hope for as long as the person embracing it lives. Religion is a friend for many from the cradle to the grave.
Knowing that many people need the "mental drug" we call "faith", religious leaders know they don't have to provide proof behind their claims. The claim is the drug that is sufficient for the average theist.
The Buddhists claim that "shiranu ga hotoke" God (or Buddha) is the unknown around us. This phrase "shiranu ga hotoke" is also used to express that "ignorance is bliss". I feel that that sums religion up perfectly. Yuck.
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"Your good example is much needed for the young ones the congregation."
by Yondaime inhey guys n gals, sorry its been such a long time since i've posted.
lately i've been very busy balancing between my school work and cult activities.
since i've been doing pretty well "spiritually"(enough field-circus hours, attending meetings, underlining my literatrash, reading, praying and serving as the mic-master) my coordinator grabbed me to the side after a meeting and talked to me for twenty minutes straight congratulating me about how good i am doing.. then he paused for a good five seconds and got all serious.. then he proceeded to tell me that the young ones in the hall aren't doing too well.
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I remember when my parents threatened to kick me out when I turned 18 because i had become inactive( and I was partying too much). The thought of being alone in the world with no skills to pay the bills scared me so much that, not only did I return to meetings, I became a pioneer and then a servant a little over a year later. It's really sad when parents exert that kind of influence on us at such a young age. They use napalm instead of love to light a fire under our ass.
Ganbatte yondaime! Milk your parents for all they are worth until you can live comfortably independent from them.
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For God/Truth Seekers Only!
by Nicola.threeangelsmessage infor the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.
the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.
thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).
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Clambake,
It's funny, your post reeks of the same prickish moral superiority that you are criticizing. I do this. I do that. I special!
Let's lower the antagonism please.
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GB Bodyguards
by Socrateswannabe ini have heard that at the international conventions and even at us headquarters, the governing body travel with entourages or bodyguards.
does anyone know this to be a fact?
if so, why?
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My wife told me the highlight of the International convention that she went to in Hawaii was seeing Stephen Lett walking around during intermission. He was escorted by 4 big, burly bodyguards wherever he went. She remembered the excitement as the Samoan room suddenly went hush at lunchtime as Lett walked in (with his four musclemen) went to the platform and announced the silver sword release in Samoan. -
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What bad habits have you picked up since leaving the Borg.
by James Mixon ini went back to smoking and gambling but the good habits out weigh.
the bad ones, like lying to people.
is't fraud against the law, the practice.
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Question for atheists and nonbelievers
by pressman ini profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to all to think and believe.
believing in christ through his words and not through evil religious cults, like hoj and jw, can and will save you.
do you all realize that every time you are victorious and receive something of value through your hard work and sweat, it was our holy god who blessed you.
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Yeah, I should have dumbed down my question for him. Where was God when Haiti happened? Where was God when Christians raped, pillaged, crucified others in his name around the globe for the last 1,900 years? Dinosaurs died out. Neanderthals died out. What proof is there that God gives a shat about whether modernus homo sapiens die out or not? Where was God when Samantha got bit and died from as viper bite as she was taking an innocent stroll through the forest? Where was God when poor, innocent, god-fearing Jackie got eaten by an alligator? Why do mosquito bites and tick bites cause disease and death? Why is everything in the universe trying to kill us? Why Perryman? Where is the love buddy?