Posts by Bonsai

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Question for believers, heaven or earth?

by Tornintwo in

just trying to figure out what i believe in the wake of leaving the borg.

jesus message appeals, of course.

i just wanted to ask believers, christians, on this forum if you think the hope is heaven or earth.

Bonsai

I realize my comment was a bit cheeky, but for the majority of Christians on this planet hell is a very real thing that they believe and fear. We can't just cherry pick the good outcomes and forget about the bad ones.

That being said, although I am more atheistic than not, I wish their was a heavenly and earthly paradise for all. I'd wish it for you and for everyone else who can live peacefully with their fellow human brethren. Unfortunately, I don't see either as a reality to get my hopes up over.

Also I recall reading somewhere that "meek will inherit the earth" can be translated also as "land" as in Jerusalem. The scripture wasn't originally meant to mean a paradise earth.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

Bonsai

Iswjw61,

If you are so happy,

if you are so content,

why are you here?

Half your sentence structures don't make any sense.

Are you here to blow your trumpet? Are you here to show off your righteousness?

I suspect you are here just to run the gauntlet to see if your faith holds up.

I suspect you are counting your time.

It doesn't seem like you are interested in change. It seems like you are entirely satisfied with the status quo.

if you serve happily as an elder despite knowing of the injustices and abuse going on within this organization, then...

I'm at a loss for words...

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Question for believers, heaven or earth?

by Tornintwo in

just trying to figure out what i believe in the wake of leaving the borg.

jesus message appeals, of course.

i just wanted to ask believers, christians, on this forum if you think the hope is heaven or earth.

Bonsai

You forgot the third option for believers: HELL

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Are You Easily Offended? 😠

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm sick and tired of everyone claiming to be "offended".

if you are not politically correct, you will need to apologize for some perceived slight.. when i was an elder, i purposely avoided as much as i could, anybody that got easily offended.

.

Bonsai

I'm sick and tired of people who are sick and tired of those who are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

Bonsai

this is the reason why I adopted a different strategy—I support JW for their good, but secretly disapprove their failings, thus avoid the heart-break of losing my loved ones.

Confrontation is not a good idea always. Not giving your heart to things you do not approve is a sweet rebellion with no possibility of ever being noticed/punished.

Isw61,

I totally understand that you have to keep up pretenses for your loved ones. I know other witnesses who are in the same unenviable position that you are in. If you can stomach the mental torture, then stay in and try to change things from the inside. Don't just secretly disapprove of their failings. Inaction from those still in like you will only prolong the injustice and pain that is being inflicted on your fellow brothers.

But be warned, sooner or later reality will catch up with you. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. It will get ripped out from your hands because the whole organization is trained top to bottom to spy on each other.

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Greetings

by Pioneerbot in

wanted to say hi.

i've been lurking for a long time.

i also spend time on other forums.

Bonsai

Nice to meet you. Congrats on your success with the family.

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3 local needs parts on service meeting.

by hoser in

it is scheduled on our service meeting next week to have 3 local needs parts.

local needs 1 , local needs 2 and local needs 3.

Bonsai

1. Give us more money or Jehovah will kill you.

2. Stay loyal to the FDS or Jehovah will kill you..

3. Give us more money and go out in service more or Jehovah will kill you.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

Bonsai

Recently all the JW apologists have disappeared from this forum. Now all we get to enjoy are the occasional one-and-dones. I think more could be done to avoid scaring them away so quickly. Considering the fact that they are coming from a position of ignorance, I think we could be more patient and go easier on them (Myself included).

To the OP:

Thanks for your thoughts. I think almost any religion has some good points about it. Unfortunately, the things that you downplay such as the shunning policies are hurting a lot of people. It's sad because many people who are disfellowshipped left for valid reasons. Nobody deserves to be cut off from their loved ones. Nobody deserves to be treated as the living dead when they enter a kingdom hall to fight a weakness or try and makes things right with their god. Repenters should not have to suffer cruel and unusual punishment.

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One Year Later - A Thank You to Tony Morris.

by cappytan in

jw
friends

dear anthony morris, iii:.

i wanted to send you a note of "thanks" on this special day.. why is this day special, you may ask?

one year ago today, you, tony, woke me up to the fact that the governing body could not have jehovah's blessing or direction.. last year, on november 8th & 9th, 2014, the united states branch visit was broadcast to over 1,000,000 jehovah's witnesses across the country.. as i sat at the kingdom hall listening to the "historic occasion," i was ignoring certain doubts that had surfaced in the few months prior.

Bonsai

Yeah. That speech was epic - epically stupid.

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Hi First Post Here

by Distracted in

jw
friends

just wanted to break the ice and write my first post here and also talk about some things that are bothering me.

i don't go to meetings anymore and i have become inactive for years now.

i don't believe the witnesses have the truth more than any other organized religion.

Bonsai

Welcome Distracted. I can relate so well to how you are feeling. It's like we are stuck in between two worlds and don't seem to fit into either one. I also can relate to family members trying to guilt trip us, using fear-mongering tactics, to get us back into the organization. It's an uncomfortable time of transition, but it does get better as you make new friends and throw all that Fear Obligation and Guilt (mind FOG) manure out to pasture.