Posts by *lost*

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Bobcat, give me your take on this

by QC in

bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

i just shared this with new member "lost".

if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

lost

PHYSICAL - SPIRITUAL ........... the two have to be kept seperated, apart from each other.

the Physical occupies the eye, goes into the mind, occupies thought processes.

the Spiritual occupies the ? mind ? figurative heart ?

HOW WE SEE THINGS - do we see physical or spiritual. Do we REALLY SEE ? The deep things ?

How we think - do we think spiritual or physical.

It is easier for Satan to use physical things to entice, distract man.

It is also easy for him to distract using spiritual means, false religion, false prophets etc.

Governments do it, use distraction techniques to keep the people focused on one area.

My book Jehovah himself has become king - is also giving me much to think about and process.

Chapter 12 - Collapse of the Watchtower.

Chapter 13 -King of the North

Chapter 14 - Downfall of America

I'm not advocating that the book is correct on everything it says.

However I am finding it a real eye opener and it is giving me things to think about.

many thanks to all for help and comments.

lost... but getting there

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BOOK: Jehovah himself has become king - Robert king

by *lost* in

i just got my first book ... to start with.

the next one will be ray franz, crisis of conscience.. so if there any believers or semi-believers that would like to chat about it i would appreciate your comments.. also it may help any visitors to this site, who may be questioning things.. .

lost.

lost

Gone for Good - thank you

Everyone else - have you actually read the book ?

If not why not ?

Because before you can give an inforned opinion on any given subject, one has to at the very least become associated with the very subject one is going to enter into a debate on.

So in fairness, if one hasn't read the book, one is not in a position to forward any opinion that would be classed as valid or worthy.

BELIEVING is irrelevent. Freedom of choice is every persons perogative.

UNDERSTANDING is everything.

FACT is we had a beginning. Religion had a beginning. Civilisation had a beginning. Money had a beginning. Politics had a beginning.

HISTORY is something which cannot be denied.

IGNORANCE is bliss for some people. Life can be condensed into a very simple ideal and life can also be very complicated for some.

NEGATIVITY is non productive.

POSITIVITY is productive.

I prefer positive to negative. bitching, whining and moaning is bitterness and a waste of ones time and energy.

I cannot understand why some people take the time to condescend and disregard other people views and opinions with total abandon. Why bother ?

There is an old saying. '' If you cannot say anything nice .... then don't say anything at all ''

thanks to everyone for their comments, greatly appreciated.

Myself personally, i do believe in God. That doesn't mean I believe and accept willy nilly everything that is dished out to me from the mouth of men, the most treacherous deceitful creation in existence. Which is why I am currently researching and seeking information on which to base my opinions and belliefs. Each one must PROVE to themselves.

Being an ex jw does not mean one has decide it is all a load of rubbish so best to believe in nothing at all. Because if that is the case, then one has nothing to worry about only to just get on and live their life how they see fit and look forward to the grave. If that suits, then fine. Works of the Flesh, works of the Spirit. NOT everyone will believe there is a God or Spirit realm, which is fine, it's their choice.

But answer me this. WHY are so many people in the world still adhering to some form of religion ? I live in a Catholic country which rules the land. Why is the Church so strong in peoples lives ? if they don't even believe or have any comprhensible knowledge of what exctly the Bible and the Word of god is. kind of confusing.

DON'T mock people for choosing to believe and being in search of truth, facts and information.

DON'T mock non-believers who don't give a care.

ALWAYS put oneslf in the shoes of another, you will never understand the road those shoes have walked nor what the person in those shoes has experienced.

Stumble around in the dark, or search in the light. It's all about choices.

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Was Satan Cast Out of Heaven in 1914?

by Kenneson in

according to jws christ established his kingdom in the heavens in 1914 and subsequently cast satan out of heaven then.

and they point to rev.

12:7-9 for "proof.

lost

I bumped this thread for study.

wanting truth - that was excellent, thanks.

jws just can't see ' THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL'....... oh my gosh it is all falling together nicely, and it ties in with bible prophecy. It is so exciting.

I'm reading the book Jehovah Himself has become King - Robert King. chpt 12 p 175 COLLAPSE OF THE WACHTOWER . It's brilliant, it is talking about the very same thing. Surely there can't be too much time left ? Exciting times.

p183 ... lawyers representing the wt have also cut questionable backroom deals with various political agencies besides the UN in order to advance the wt interests in certain countries. Late 1990's - Bulgaria. wt had to agree to sanctions that the jws there would not suffer sanctions for having blood transfusions. Willingness to bargain with the devil.

p184 ...because many of the prophecies have been misapplied, so that it is simply inconceivable in the minds of jws that the organisation could possibly become THE OBJECT OF JEHOVAHS WRATH.

p185 ... they support themselves upon innacurate interpretations of prophecy. Like the ancient Jewish establishment that tried to silence Jehovahs prophets, the wt is also dispossed to scoff at any suggestion that God's judgements might apply to Jehovahs Witnesses instead of Christendom.

While virtually every Bible prophet straightforwardly foretells how spiritual Israel will be brought into judgement with God, the wt has deviously deflected all negative aspects of those prophetic visions to Christendom .... '' The ones having visions'' are those whoe 'see' the correct understanding of the prophetic visioons that Jehovah originally gave to the biblical visionaries, seers, and prophets.

All of jw have preferred to hear ''smotth things'' and ''deceptive things''

p183. Although it mind sound like a trifling matter, Jesus said that the person (or institution) unfaithful in what is least is also unfaithful in the big things too.

p187 .... claim to speak in the name of Jehovah...... EZ 13 ... the prophecy clearly states that the ''stupid prophets'' exist ''in the intimate group of my people'' and that as a result of their misleading influence, Jehovah says, '' they have led my people astray ''.

The prophets against whom jehovah is speaking are the most prominent men in the organisation...... It is the very teachings of the wt that continually tickles the ears of jw.

p189 True Christians, that is, those who really know and trust Jehovah and have faith in Christ, will not panic during the turmoil that ensues. Their faith is stronger than organisational loyalty.

According to Jehovah's declaration, his people are not going to trust him when the test comes. No doubt that will be because jw have been induced to trust in our own strenght and in the wt.

p190 The painful lessoon that all men must soon learn is that Jehovah God is the rightful Sovereign of this earth. The nightmare that is destined to descend upon this world will prove beyond all doubt that humans simply do not have the wisdom to rule themselves.

According to the Apostle Paul a lofty thing among men is a disgusting thing to Jehovah.... so that never again will Jehovahs people foolishly exalt any so-called earthly organisation to the lofty place now occupied by the wt.

end of book quotes.

lost

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Bobcat, give me your take on this

by QC in

bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

i just shared this with new member "lost".

if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

lost

QC - many thanks.

SO MUCH to learn.

kind regards

lost

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Proof that Satan is in control of the WT and THAT is why the new change will come.....

by EndofMysteries in

if anybody ever read the two babylons book, it detailed how christianity became corrupt.

how over time, not on the spot, but slowly changes were implemented, it started with forbidding anybody to read or hold the bible, and only the leader/pope etc could teach, once there was full absolute power, then satan was able to put in anything he wanted to corrupt it all.

i am not going to list the articles and scriptures, everybody can find those, i'm just going to quickly show from the history to now how it's happened and the proof and what is happening now.

lost

bumping for reasearch

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Watchtower says: Jesus is a FALLEN ANGEL

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

the watchtower society teaches that jesus is a fallen angel!.

back in the days of charles taze russell, the watchtower society correctly taught that abaddon/apollyon from revelation chapter 9 was satan or a demon (because the bible describes him as a fallen angel of the abyss who is in control of all of the demon/locusts):.

the finished mystery (1917):.

lost

bumped

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Was Satan Cast Out of Heaven in 1914?

by Kenneson in

according to jws christ established his kingdom in the heavens in 1914 and subsequently cast satan out of heaven then.

and they point to rev.

12:7-9 for "proof.

lost

How could Jesus be in Heaven in 30ce and yet still be on the earth ? He was baptised. He went into the wilderness for forty days and nights, the Devil came to him to try to temp him when he was in his weakened state. He went back to heaven when he was killed.

LUKE: 10v18, he (Jesus) replied, '' I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.....

Also apparently Jesus is NOT the archangel Michael.

Contrary to what the WT org has taught for the last 100 yrs.

So who is right, the Bible or the WT org.

much study to do.

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Romans 13:1 Russian opposition

by sidex in

jw
friends

.

hello, yes my question is not settled.. and i want to repeat it.

who knows about the different groups of jehovah's witnesses in the united states.. when and where were the division and what reasons..

lost

Sidex

are you looking for Jehovah witness groups in Russia ?

or are you looking for groups who have broken away from Jehovah witness ?

you need to try to explain what exactly it is you are looking for.

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North Korea - U.S - War ?

by *lost* in

jw
friends

things look to be hotting up here.

scary.. what are the chances of it all kicking off ?.

lost

Obama - China. there's a bit of a ruffle going on there. China have gotten too big now. U.S not the world superpower it once was.

interesting things may be about to happen.

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Trinity, Immortality of the soul, Hell fire... Homosexuality

by irondork in

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friends

most people here who have spent any amount of time studying the bible will agree that the bible allows for more than one interpretation of these topics.

well, the first three topics, anyways.. reading the gay marriage discussions on this board i see a common thread weaving its way through: no acknowledgement whatsoever that there is an equally valid interpretation of the bible that does not condemn homosexuality.. once in a while i will see the word trinity mentioned on this forum and no big deal is made of it (for the most part).

trinitarian and non-trinitarian teachings are accepted as variations of the christian understanding of the bible without any judgment being made regarding the genuineness of that person's christian identity or relationship with god.. mention the word homosexuality, and there is a huge difference in attitude.

lost

I'm not a 'big scholar' Biblicly or greek etc. But I am a believer.

I cannot say one way or theother whether or not the bible

1. Condemns homosexuality

2. Condemns homosexual relations.

as I have not done enough indepth research to put forward a valid argument. I never voice big opinions on anything unless I have done the research. i prefer to say, I don't know. Just like we don't know the truth about a lot of things as they have been misconstrued and hidden from us, BY MAN.

However, my understanding so far, is this.

Both the OT and the NT, do comment on same sex relations as being immoral ? sinful ? against God's natural laws? Am I correct on this ?

However. The Bible in full also tells us about sin, imperfection, evil etc ... and why these things are so. Satan corrupted God's perfect creation. God tells us this, and he tells us the whys, what fors, adn the end result. The finish of things.

We as humans are collateral damage in this eccliastical battle ( i know i spelt that wrong, lol ) We are not God, therefore we have no idea what he is thinking. We can only try the best that we can to live a life in line with goodness, if we so wish.

Ultimately it is our choice as individuals to walk our own path in life. We have no right to force our beliefs/opinions/likes/dislikes etc on another human being. We have no right to cause suffering to another human being, this directly goes against what Jesus taught. If true christians modeled themselves on the basis of jesus's teachings, not mans opinions, we would all be a lot happier, and there would be less evil in this world. But, it is what it is, and we are where we are.

Life is a journey, it is to be lived. All anyone ever wants is love and happiness and an easy passage. Who is anyone to deny this to another.

Gay is not a fashion statement. It is a condition. simple as. Right or wrong doesn't factor into it. It is a persons life we are talking about.

If there is no God, none of it matters. simple.

if there is a God and the Bible has truth. Well it is between that person and God to settle the matter between them. How do we not know that God's attitude to a gay might be not be like this '' it's ok, don't be conflicted, don't torture yourself unecessarily, I KNOW, don't despair. I have the answers, I know how I am going to fix everything and put things back to their origianl purpose. When the time is right I will give you the answers. Have faith. I love you, I will help you. One day everyone will have the answers.

one way or another we re either going to die, problem solved - or we will enter into the big A. No sense worrying about it too much really is there.

regards lost