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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

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  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Bugbear

  Black Man!

  Sorry didn´t understand your Bttt?

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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Did Socrate exist, did Plato exist, did Aristotle exist? These persons existed to their name obviously 300-400 years BC. And thanks to the Arabs we have quite well documented a lot of things that makes it believable, they must have existed. We know of a man that had a wife named Xhantippe, and a son about 5-7 years of age. We know what the name of his friends and that he committed suicide the year 399 bc. By taken poison. This due to a court decision and because he had seduced “the young man”..?. We know the men who wrote about him, Plato and Aristotle.

  The proof of what the old Greek thought and believed is far more documented, then anything written in the NT. When you read these “testaments” it seems like they are all contradiction themselves on numerous of occasions. And this above all they want us to believe in supernatural gifts, like resurrected from death, walking on water, being given birth by a virgin a.s.f. No modern court of law could possibly use these witnesses as proof for the existing of Jesus they are contradicting themselves!

  But there is a far more complicated issue. It is the very basic for Christian tradition.

  According to the bible the very core of Christian believes is that God did gives his beloved son to humans, so that everyone who does believe in him should have eternal life!!

  What did the human race do when (according to the bible) Jesus came to earth on his father’s order?

  We beat him spit on him killed him, and dissimulated him, laugh at him betrayed him and finally we put him on a stake (or a cross).

  And now the human races are saved? All thanks to God´s mercy!

  According to me all this is very illogical! There is no way a father could forgive the “human race” for killing his son. For betraying his son – for spitting on or for making him suffer.

  The very basic for Christianity must be explained in a better way, at least to make me “believer”.

  Until proper explanations is given I simply can’t have any believes in fairy tales, with no proper proves. But I do believe that Socrates existed.

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  New here, just wanted to say "Hello"

  by Goldiver in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello all, it is nice to have a forum for former jw's and see i wasn't the only one out there having serious doubts.

  my parents got into it when i was about 4 years old.

  my family was part of the granville ny congregation.. my dad in time became an elder.

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  Welcome. would like to hear more from your experiencies.

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  How would you answer these questions that came to me in an email through my website? ...

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  many emails are sent to me through my website, watchtowerdocuments.com.

  all are answered.

  remember 1corinthians 6: 1-2 (i'll answer this question.

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  I would like to add some comments to my previous. I think i would be apropriate to also give him your own website:

  http://watchtowerdocuments.com/index.html

  It will giv him most of the answers he would like from you. (If he dare to read)

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  How would you answer these questions that came to me in an email through my website? ...

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many emails are sent to me through my website, watchtowerdocuments.com.

  all are answered.

  remember 1corinthians 6: 1-2 (i'll answer this question.

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  Bugbear

  I think the men either do have problems with the answers on all these questions, or he is just a disguised elder who wants to nail you or make you a fool if you answer one of these questions in a not proper way. If I were you, I would only take all these questions in one sack turn them back to him (perhaps a little bit converted) and ask him why he does not ask the elders in his congregation for the answer. This naturally in his own name openly and amongst all other friends. If he does, he will have no chance do get baptized or if he is baptized, he will be Df.sh.

  I think that such an experience will make him understand that the org. is not guided by god, but by greedy men, just concerning of their own power.

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  ARE YOU AN ANGRY and BITTER APOSTATE?

  by Hummingbird001 in

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  2. friends

  i have noticed that there are different reactions to learning the "truth about the truth".

  some become quite bitter and angry and become very activist.

  others seem to just move on quite easily.. .

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  I am not angry nor bitter, I am relieved.But I was angry for over more then 30 years, for not dare saying to all the friends, that something was very, very wrong with the Soc.

  I was angry for all the time spent on assemblies, alla the mile runned accross my country, holding speeches, all the hours spent "in the service", trying to carrying ot a big fat lie.

  But now I am relieved, all my 6 children has left this org. only my wife is still in. I only regret that I hadn´t the strength to quit earlier.

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  Cost of new Kingdom Halls?

  by Blttex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been told that the cost to build a new kingdom hall is $500k +.

  i have a background in commercial construction and this seems pretty high to me, considering all the free labor.

  that is just the cost of the building, excluding the lot price.

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  In scandinavia I know that a number of KH.s has been built with the local congs. own assets. When the building was finished with voulontears, and all material was paid to the soc. account, these building was immideataly ovhanded free to the WTBTS. A few years later they were sold to other interests, and the cong. were robbed out of their money!!???

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  Questions on Evolution and the Existence of God and...

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i know this is one huge rant, but i want to put my own questions and doubts in writing.. i am a fading jw who has become agnostic... i still believe in "god" and "jesus," but i simply cannot explain to people why i believe in them.

  i just do.. about the existence of god: it is an infinite regress.

  "all things were created by someone"... well... who created god?

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  Your questions are very interesting and I think you’ve got a lot of god answers. However from a philosophical point of view there are other questions that also need an answer. As some mentioned evolution has created over 10 million of species. Various kind of monkeys apes gorillas, kangaroos, and others. Humans seem to stand for the moment on the top of this chain. But how?

  The terrible answer is by eating one another.

  Every specimen from insects, fishes, frogs, mammals, birds, cats, dogs and humans are in fact living only by eating the other. If good has created us (with sharp tees, poison A.S.F) with this ability He must have understood, that it would cause disaster for all his children on earth. Only the smartest and strongest can survive this battle. If good has created us in this way, he must have had plan to come back and see who or what has survived?.. In fact, if you go on the Bible stories it looks like good really like to play with his puppies, like a child. He/she killed all these humans and animal in masses, when he feels for it. No regrets, no answers on prayers from any the millions Catholics, Muslims, Pentecostal, Lutherans (or whatever).

  From my philosophical point of view, good is better off if he really doesn´t exist. We as humans can understand with our own wisdom, that evilness, comes from evolutionary facts. We have no alternative then just to eat each other.

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  New here and having ah ha moments!

  by Angus Beef in

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  what made you realize it was time to go?

  i've been having health problems for the last few years and instead of any help, i'm listed as spiritually weak and of course associations is only my kids and husband.

  all the good jw's have moved to other congregations and are doing well.

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  Agree with Steve2, "the time is on your side". Whatever the WTBS is going to tell about "new light", more and more people are going to find that all of them are imposters. Imposters that only are interested in your money and your free labour. But take it slow. Dont dazzle your "new light" into your families eyes.

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  WTS Legal department ghouls

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the society has certainly had their share of financial setbacks, especially in the pedophile department.

  the legal department must actively save face and do damage control!.

  i can't help but wonder how many wts attorneys are flying around to be present at estate hearings, bequeathment hearings, probate court, reading of wills, etc.

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  From my experience at least the local congs are not that greedy when I comes having the latest will to be carried out (if it is in the favor of the cong.) A number of years ago a person associated with my congregation died, and when the police investigated his apartm. They found his latest will. This testament was in good and legal order and all of the person’s assets were to go to our congregation. It was not huge heritage but some few $1.000 . However unexpected a remote relative turned up and claimed that he was the owner of this property. I was an elder at the time and the circuit board of elders in our congs. Immediately, decides to give away every penny of that heritage to this “new relative”.

  The congregation got much credit from both the authorities and the people in the small city we lived in. But now I wonder, if the board of elders had gone to our branch office with this question, what would they have done? Are “the higher” ranking JW,s greedier or do they have more firm instructions from the “legal department”?

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