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  Are these the "crucial" years for the Watchtower ? Is time running out ?

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  or can they keep it going another 100 years.. maybe i'm being a little too hopeful, but i think the next 10 years are do or die for the watchtower.. is was different back in the 20's 30's 40's 50's and 60's, they could get away with changing doctrine and "new light" and new ideas.. but today, people are different and more independent, and question things a lot more.. the "annoited class" is almost gone, regardless of the bs figures they give, .

  1914 is all but dead, .

  literature is not available like it used to be, .

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  core

  The Watchtower Organization is ripe for reform, imo, they will reform.

  islandwoman

  Difficult to see how - where would they start? No disrespect but nothing in that rotten stack of cards could be replaced without it causing a ripple effect as each previous failure of new light is changed again it impacts on other teachibngs and the need for change widens - the key issue is Does Jehovah bless the WT organisatioin with the GB representing him ? If not it does not matter what they change - they are just as much part of what they call "Babylon the Great" as the Catholic Church.
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  Abuse was the only reason I left. Posted on the net in 1996.

  by cat1759 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jehovah's witness elders .

  abused my 4 year old

  when my son matt was three years old, he was molested by his 26 year old aunt (my sister in law).

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  core

  My own experience is similar but I am not qualified to express it as well as you have - the elders are neither qualified nor capable of dealing with this sort of thing and should back off -

  if its a crime call the police the elders are abusing children by conduct such as you describe and they should rot in hell for adding to a toddlers burden.

  Its been said before but what an outrage against God these people are - Do they ever sleep at night ? Yes because they are not left worrying over the mess created as long as they have obeyed the branch office / legal-service desk
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  Feeling Powerless and Vulnerable

  by Swan in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the past several nights i have had very disturbing dreams that, while not the nightmares i used to have, still leave me feeling powerless and vulnerable.

  i feel like the other shoe will drop soon and i feel totally unprepared while just waiting for it to happen.. in one dream i witness my niece as a little girl back when she was first starting grade school.

  since i have never known my nieces and nephews as teenagers, i tend to dream of them as they were when they were children.

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  core

  Without a doubt you are feeling the pressure of identity loss - inability to affect things as you would like

  Given that the effect on you is so serious PLEASE seek some help - talk to someone as (in addition to posting here) you will begin to regain control if you decide what you do/talk about

  I am not a psycholgist (cant even spell it !) but I understand and empathise exactly with you - I hope others may have more solid advice to help.

  Remember that others on this site are concerned and that you are not alone emotionally as many will empathise / be genuinely concerned.
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  What direction is the organization going in?

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems to me that they are holding fast to their legalistic views.

  what will the result of this be?

  i think that the result will be a more closed society.

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  garybuss

  The anointed of the "channel" have all resigned from responsible positions of running the Society.

  Window Dressing - a legal ruse and a way to get round the old age/lack of potential GB members of the 'anointed'

  In the home of a JW family the GB still control everything - in the legal corporations nominal p[eople serve but they do the bidding of the spiritual masters. No 'given-one' is ever going to change anything that has stood for decades - what amazes me is how these cavortings are sold to the flock as advances when anyone outside can see the flea circus for what it is - yes the ringmasters are still the GB
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  IF Brooklyn Bethel Was destroyed....

  by TR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....would they have the resources to rebuild?

  are the buildings insured, or is the wts self-insured?.

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  Re Insurance - WT has practise of having congs take Insurance thru the WTS (it then "holds" this vast pot of premiums) & it then itself takes some reinsurance to cover liabilities. Congregations claiming on this are reported to not find it easy to have claims met to the extent real insurance would pay out.

  For Branch bldgs & Brookly complex the cost of insurance is probably too high for them to consider - after all if anything happens an appeal can be made to the brothers.

  Disaster Recovery plans exist for any major contingency and sadly the loss of Brooklyn would have only a minor and transient affect on operations.
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  Governing Body - How did it come about?

  by IslandWoman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the governing body is a devilish clown.

  it was bad enough when knorr was president but since the governing body came and in effect deposed him things have gotten progressively worse.. how exactly did the governing body come about?

  they did not invent themselves, sure there was the board of directors but they did not have the kind of power the governing body has.

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  core

  The governing body started in Jerusalem. Yeah, that's the ticket

  minimus

  or was it Antioch ? seem to remember something in CoC by RF
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  ..Sue the WTS for Loss of Earnings ?

  by core in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone considered suing the wt for compensation for loss of earnings?

  when i was young we were encouraged instructed to pioneer - sell wts or die (to quote running man) - it was wrong to pursue higher education or a professional career.

  many are in a similar position facing old age with dread and have had a life living on far less than if a 'real' job had been taken .

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  core

  Has anyone considered suing the WT for compensation for loss of earnings? When I was young we were encouraged instructed to Pioneer - Sell WTs or Die (to quote Running Man) - It was WRONG to pursue higher education or a professional career.

  Many are in a similar position facing old age with dread and have had a life living on far less than if a 'real' job had been taken

  The WT will claim that you were not forced to Pioneer - it was a matter of personal conscience/choice (or to put it in simple terms emotional blackmail) -

  Tobacco Companies dont make people smoke yet they are being sued for millions by smokers? ANy chance of unlocking the WT money box?
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  When Jw say :"It was your personal choice"

  by JT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the avg jw when confronted with pass issues such as not going to college, setting up retirement plans while you are 23 for when you get 65, seeking a better paying job will often try to hide behind

  "it was a personal decision".

  while in one context that is true, there is one problem.

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  core

  Henry Ford said you can have a Ford Car in any colour you like - as long as it is Black - its your choice - thats the choice with the WT ..what we say (suggest direct you to do) or else ....condemnation
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  Jehovah’s Witness Logical Fallacies.pt1

  by Brummie in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jehovahs witness logical fallacies.pt1.

  in fact, many of the bad experiences people have with jws are caused by actions that the society does not encourage.. .

  logan i have started a new thread simply because if a jw read your old one they may be happy enough not go back to reread this if it was posted there.. one of the things that kept me holding on to the jw faith was the thought that many of the bad experiences people have with jws are caused by actions the soceity does not encourage.

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  At some point, say a judicial committee where a woman is being grilled about her rape, doesn't the elder have to accept responsibility for his conduct? I agree that all things come from Brooklyn, but I also believe that an elder must look at the impact of their own conduct on the Great Unwashed.

  Some years back I sat on a committee re a rape and it was handled in a kindly manner - no indecent questions, no improper suggestions as to what the woman was doing to 'lead to' the rape.

  All the elders were deeply concerned for the woman and her emotional well-being - we were also aware that we skirted the official WT policy and did not consider it our place to discuss how the poor woman resisited the unwarranted attack. We knew what we were dealing with and knew the innocent woman - we did not need to have here recite soime natra by rote "I Screamed..." etc to assure us of her blamelessness

  We all felt that we had no right to even meet this person other than as shepherds - not the line approved when the CO turned up and the gossip mills started - in these situations the SISTERS start forest fires of gossip which do immeasurable harm

  Incidents like this really separate the elders into those who care for the flock and the faithful WT herders of cattle.
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  Do You See In Yourself Continuing Jehovah's Witness Traits?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for all of those either out or on their way to the freedom exit door, do you still see traces of your old jw self that rears its ugly head?

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  core

  As some one said in reply to another hread

  "The Pavlovian autoresponses still kivk-in" after all that indoctrination (sorry training) it is part of your DNA