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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Cult?

  by What Now? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across a great quote.... the distinction between cult and religion lies squarely in how those leaving or those wanting to leave are treated.. hits the nail on the head for me!.

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  WN, what/who is the source of this quote?
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  Why do ultra rich jehovahs witnesses get a free pass when it comes to being materialistic?

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know a couple of jws in my town that are both very wealthy.

  one has upscale retail stores and owns a property development company.

  the other has a large service company and owns a lot of real estate.

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  Oubliette

  I think you know the answer to that question!
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  Couple questions....like if JW's not the right way then what is?

  by world in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new member here so don't attack :d here is a couple questions i have been contemplating lately.. .

  if jw isn't the right religion, then which one is?

  or is it basically believe in god, the bible and you'll be fine?.

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  Welcome!

  You've already gotten a lot of really good responses.

  But I will add these questions: Is it reasonable to speak of "The Truth" as if it were a physical thing that can only be possessed by one person or even a single group? Does that even make any sense?

  An honest consideration of these questions leads inevitablty to only one answer for both: No.

  An equally honest examination of the Jehovah's Witness religion quickly reveals that it is not at all about spreading "Truth" as claimed, but it is about unquestioning obedience and loyalty to the organization.

  Learn to think for yourself. You'll be glad you did. And then you'll understand why that is the greatest crime a JW can commit.
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  Today's wt "study" obfuscations

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  paragraph 9 : " jesus blood validates the new covenant -- makes posiible the forgiveness sins for all time#.-- [and]--.

  god could apply the value of jesus' shed blood to adams descendants--*.

  --he could** also adopt certain --humans "as sons"--".

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  Oubliette

  This doesn't sound like obfuscation as much as it is just weak speculation cobbled together by a bunch of weasal words.
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  JWs say, "They don't judge"

  by skeeter1 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what is up with jws?

  lately, i've heard this line, "we don't judge .

  but, doesn't everyone judge?

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  Oubliette

  They also say they have "the Truth."

  It's doublespeak and it's doubleplusungood.
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  Elders and priests what 's the difference?

  by sparrowdown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is being a "good" elder the same as being a "good" catholic priest?.

  is there any difference between representing the rcc and representing that other bastion of child abuse the wt?.

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  FHN: The level of education and training is vastly different.

  Yes, priests have much, much more training and education.

  I am not endorsing the Catholic church, or any other religion for that matter. It's just that the level of training is much greater.

  For example, here are the educational requirements for candidate for the Catholic priesthood in the Albany, New York diocese:

  Educational Requirements

  The educational requirements for priesthood ordination are as follows:

  • Four-year undergraduate degree in any field of study.
  • Two-year Pre-Theology Program - Thirty (30) credit hours in selected areas of philosophy and twelve (12) credit hours in selected areas of theology.
  • Four-year Master of Divinity degree from a Catholic seminary.

  Compare this to the educational requirements for a JW elder:

  • Requirements:
  • Do you know God's name?
  • Can you be obedient to any and all directions from the "Faithful and Discreet Slave," even if they makes no sense?
  • Are you older than 23?
  • Have you successfully served as a Ministerial Servant for at least "a number of years," putting up with the BS from the local elders?
  • Note: BS in this context does NOT stand for Bachelor's of Science
  • Are you able to at least appear to go out in the Field Ministry 10 hours per month, on average?
  • Do you and every member of your family own an iPad or equivalent device?
  • Possible Disqualifications:
  • Do you have any education beyond secondary school? (This is actually a negative).
  • Definite Disqualifications:
  • Are you prone to "Independent Thinking" and/or research on your own?
  • Would you turn a pedophile over to the local police?

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  HELP ME COMPILE A LIST OF DISCARDED WORDS AND PHRASES from the WTS

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in fort worth, texas around 1959. gradually i became aware of the argot.

  special, private language).

  jw's had these phrases they used over and over again.. upon first hearing, these words and phrases stood out as odd, weird or awkward.. however.

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  Company Servant ---> Presiding Overseer ---> Coordinator of the Body of Elders
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  THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i suggest taking this slowly .

  .. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.

  the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.

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  Oubliette

  Terry: You guys crack me up!

  Good, I'm glad you take our comments and retorts in the good-natured spirit of discourse in which they are intended.

  I hope that wasn't overly obtuse or ambiguous. I do try to eschew obfuscation whenever appropriate!?!
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  HELP ME COMPILE A LIST OF DISCARDED WORDS AND PHRASES from the WTS

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in fort worth, texas around 1959. gradually i became aware of the argot.

  special, private language).

  jw's had these phrases they used over and over again.. upon first hearing, these words and phrases stood out as odd, weird or awkward.. however.

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  Love

  Kindness

  Compassion

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  Oh, I'm sorry, you wanted discarded WORDS, I thought you wanted discarded PRACTICES! -
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  Q-tips and Coffee Filters helped me learn TTATT

  by RedPillPopper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well they didn't fully teach me ttatt but helped me on the way.............. first thing i do in the morning after waking up is grinding some nice coffee beans and getting the brew started while i take a hot shower.

  after the shower i like to clean out all the nasty wax out of my ears with a q-tip (or cotton swab for those not familiar with that term).. while cleaning out my ears i would think about how nice it is we have things like q-tips and coffee filters that make life more enjoyable but at the same time realize that somebody somewhere is in a factory making these.. i can't imagine a child saying "when i grow up i want to work in a factory making coffee filters".

  the people who end up really doing that as adults did not set that to be a life goal.

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  Oubliette

  Well that's a different recipe for learning TTATT!