James Penton composed the most scholarly, most works cited history of the Jehovah's Witness cult that has ever been written. He helped many people out throughout the decades.
I think Nathan is just pissed that he won't be so fondly remembered.
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Dr. James Penton - goin' up yonder dirt nap
by Nathan Natas ini saw a post on reddit by "big_routine1112" announcing that james penton died.. well, there's always the resurrec... oh, nevermind.. as always, the person expressing the most profound grief and dismay wins!.
"he was my friend" .
"there will never be another of his ilk".
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JW WOMAN VOLUNTEER CRUSHED BY A WALL AT A KINGDOM HALL PROJECT
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/1skm8riz7qc?si=ww3ej9orl_91db4w.
the construction of a new jehovah’s witnesses kingdom hall in cybinka, poland, has once again shed light on the watchtower organization’s relentless drive to expand its real estate empire on the backs of unpaid, vulnerable volunteers.
every day, around 40 jehovah’s witnesses show up at the construction site, some traveling long distances, not for pay or proper protection, but to fulfill a sense of “spiritual duty” instilled by the organization.
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WingCommander
Everyone is missing the biggest point of all here:
Where exactly is "Jah's Divine Protection?"
JW Leadership sure do talk up a big game about it, but yet somehow it is completely missing from a QuickBuild?
Or how about from that German Congregation last year that got shot up? Or the Indian Assembly where the bomb went off?
Gee, sure does appear like the JW's have lost "Jehovah's favour" now doesn't it? The thing is, they would have had to have HAD Jah's favour in the first place before they could lose it. They CLAIM to have it, but is that reality? Do they have or put forth the fruitages of the spirit? Or is their form of worship all symbolism over substance?
Things that make you, "Hmmmmm???"
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PRESIDENTIAL predictions...let the prognosticators have their say!
by Terry inmy only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.
etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.
) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).
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If CamelToe wins, it's because certain states are allowing NON-CITIZENS to vote! So yeah, these freeloaders coming up from South America are 100% going to vote for the free handouts and open borders to bring the rest of their criminal buddies and families up to the country of milk-n-honey.
I am absolutely FLOORED that any country, much less the United States, would allow non-Citizens to vote in ANY elections. Non-citizens shouldn't have ANY citizen rights, much less social and civil handouts. Human Rights? Certainly, yes, basic human rights. But the same rights as tax-paying, actual citizens of a Sovereign country? Hell no! They have not EARNED the right. They haven't taken the oath of allegiance, served in the military, or even been born here. This is truly how the Progressive Liberals (really Communists by another name) will steal this election if not enough Right-leaning voters get out and vote.
One thing to consider: The temperature here in the USA is going to be above-average for a typical November voting day. More spring - early summer like feel. There's already been record turnout for early mail-in voting, and I expect it to be high turnout for in-person voting as well. It's just so warm tomorrow, especially in the Northeast. About 75 F. (23 C)
Look, I'm not saying Donald Trump is some pillar of morality. He's obviously not. He's had failed marriages, failed business ventures, etc. However, he was a helluva President, especially for our economy. I've been working in my field for 30 years now, and I NEVER saw a better economy and better optimism than when Trump was last in office. And that wasn't because of anything Obozo did before either. Also, no other country thought to fuck with us. No new wars, no terrorism. Border was secure, was lowest amount climbing over illegally than any other time in history. My 401K retirement was thru the roof. It was just GOLDEN here in the USA. How Biden even "won" is a mystery (lol) to alot of us. It's been a total shit show here since COVID. And how convenient was that? Trump had China FINALLY paying their fair-share, when all of a sudden a pandemic comes right out of Wuhan? I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, but I smelled THAT shit a mile away.
I truly feel if the Left retains power, our fall into the abyss will be complete. Total overrun borders. De-funding the police. Wealth re-distribution to non-citizens. (pffhhtt.....already been happening under Obama and Biden) Total slide into a nearly 3rd World Shithole. So no, I won't be voting for the maniacal laughing useless Commiefornie ex-prosecutor.
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Ramapo
by Mit123 inhow much is ramapo going to cost?
my daughter in africa meets in a cow shed for her meetings.
i wonder how many khs in africa they could build if they dropped ramapo?.
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Ram - A - Poo
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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I give credit where credit is due. He DOES look healthier, thinner, and better groomed. I can honestly say this is probably the healthiest I've ever seen him look.
I truly hope in his hiatus he got some sort of rehab help and is no longer partaking in drugs, etc. Now if only he would seek out psychiatric help, maybe he could truly move on from the ex-JW world, focus on a real career, and hopefully providing for his children and making some sort of amends with them and ex-wife.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Good news everyone! Lloyd has just announced his triumphant return to X (formerly Twitter) platform. He has stated that he will NOT be silenced by the "bullies."
So everyone get out there and give him a big warm welcome back. Be kind, after all, HE is the "victim" of "bullying."
lol
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LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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The only sudden things coming from the Gluttonous Bozos are explosive bowel movements.
Can't imagine what the poor housekeepers who have the "privilege" of cleaning their toilets must face each day.
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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.
these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.
these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
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My question is this:
Now that these 2, plus the other 2 that were appointed, what? In the past year? How long will it take them to "fatten up" like Mark Sanderson and Geoffrey Jackson, and the late great Anthony Moron da Turd, now that they're sitting pretty up in the Ivory WatchTower on their thrones, with their every whim and desire taken care of for them? They're not out in the Bethel Factory or even in the Service Dept anymore tolling away 10 hours a day. Nope! They're in the big Board Room now!!!! How long until we see them "pork up" and also start wearing some of the GB "Crown Jewels" from the infamous "Vault" were they have rings, coins, watches? The only guy I see not wearing that crap is Ray Lucionne, because he actually has some good taste and doesn't buy crap clothes off the rack. He gets fitted tailored suits! But how long till they show up wearing Rolexes, gold cuff links, etc?
Wonder how many complimentary bottles of McCallens they received upon their appointment? lol
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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I'm 45. I can remember "Independent Thinking" spoken about negatively and as basically a sin as far back as I can remember.
In short, anything you can come up with "Independent" of whatever WT HQ says is a "Sin", going against God, and "grieving the holy spirit." AKA: The Unforgivable Sin.
See the slippery slope they put before their followers?
"This means this, so therefor using this cherry-picked scripture and that cherry-picked scripture and then we add this many years, but don't count a zero year, and whaa-laaaa! We're the FaithFul and Discreet Slave, appointed by God Himself to rule out over the earth and YOU. We are because we say we are.....no proof needed except what we ourselves just told you above. Please open your WatchTower and Bibles and follow along as we...................
Listen, OBEY, and Donate!"
Sincerely, (lol! Psych!)
Your Gluttonous Bozo OverLords
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JWN, 23 years posting Blondie
by blondie incan i call you friends, i think so after 23 years posting here.
i am dismayed how jwn is being "dominated" or taken over by a few posters, peppering the comments.
in the past, the admin did not approve of this and did remove some posters from jwn.
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Wow.......I just checked and I see I've been on here 22 years now. Seeing as how I'm 45, that means I've been on here nearly HALF of my entire life! I'm also proud to state that I've now been "out" of that dumbass cult longer than I was in! (escaped totally by the time I joined here for support)
22 years. The things that I've done and seen in that amount of time in my life. The incredible changes to this cult, that would have my parents and grandmother spinning in their graves if they were alive today! It's truly a sight to behold; like a trainwreck in slow motion, you can't not help but keep staring in awe as to what is transpiring.