for those of you trying to sneak out the back door without being dfd or dad...and plan to do holidays, please remember that the jws are tightening their grip on detractors and those who think they can leave without consequences and they will come to your door christmas morning to try to catch you!
i have heard of this countless times since leaving in jan 97. keep everything that might incriminate you away from the front door!!
and that includes your kids whom they will ask direct questions to!edited by - lovesdubs on 12 december 2002 14:23:44.
Loves >>For those of you trying to sneak out the back door without being DFd or DAd...and plan to do holidays, ... I have heard of this COUNTLESS times since leaving in Jan 97. Keep everything that might incriminate you away from the front door!! And that includes your KIDS whom they will ask direct questions to!<<
You're kidding, right? You mean that instead of going out on FS the elders will use the occasion to go on an apostate hunt? Really?
my wife told me that last night a letter was read from the society, explaining how all printing operations in brooklyn were being moved to either walkill or patterson, and that worldwide there would be consolidation of the printing operations.
i know there have been rumors like this floating around here for the last month or so, but now it seems there is confirmation.
has anyone else heard about this letter being read?
Blondie >>As a side note, several of the facilities purchased over the last 20 years were not just purchased for a song. Millions of dollars were spent on these sites. But I'm sure that they will be sold for even millions more. <<
At least.
I remember when the WTS sent requests for interest free money. Well, they used OUR money quite well, havent they? If you want the loan back, sure, you can have it back - just the principal.
Anyone knows the financial worth of the WTS today?
in a thread about the new wt video on kora, two posters mentioned that the wts sends out bills/statements to the congregations that don't send enough money for the literature/study materials/videos, etc.
two different posters mentioned in the thread "letter read out to congregations" (page one) one bill was for 2k and the other one for $1,400.
(i'm assuming u.s. dollars) .
JT >>while this is true, from my understanding there is some little provision in the tax code that allows them to do this since the congo is an extension of bethel, they can't ask for money from the Public, but internally they can-<<
Interesting. I didn't know they can do that. You learn something every time.
I'm more convinced than ever that the WTS is governed by lawyers and accountants, not by the GB.
top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
Great cartoon Herk. True that only the Father knows the hour. Drives home the point.
aa usual, the boys in bethel prove their aptitude in the ``do as i say but not as i do'' department.
they eloquently laud the virtues of open-mindedness, humility and freedom of speech, as long as it applies to others.
this issue's covering article is but another in a long series of example.
Room215 >> It also seemed to me that durng their years of publication, the PT and the WT seemed to be holding to some sort of a tacit ``mutual disarmament'' agreement... neither seemed willing to criticize the other, withich in the WT;'s case was remarkable, given its propensity for bashing other faiths.<<
I thought the founder of the Worldwide Church of God was an early JW, or at the very least, a Russellite breakaway who didn't want anything to do with Rutherford or was forced out by Rutherford. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, if so, then that would make sense. After all, I don't read the WTS taking shots at Russelite organizations and groups. First of all, it would encourage interest - it wasn't until the Internet that I learned that Russelite groups existed. You'd think at how the WTS discribed them as they all fell away during the Rutherford term in office that they all died in a black hole somewhere. Secondly, they know where the early WTS skeletons are buried. One shot from the WTS and you can expect they will respond with a retaliatory informational bombshell. And, let's face it, information - even embarrassing information - is powerful!
parousia: translated in the new world translation as the "presence" of jesus.
zodhiates greek wordstudy dictionary states: .
#3844-- para: alongside, nearby, expressing the notion of immediate vicinity .
C'mon, Jesus was a man!
LOL
top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
Herk and others, you make a good case. I don't believe that Jesus is God nor part of the Trinity nor any of that. Thanks.
yeah, the roman catholic church leadership in virginia smells just like the spirit-anointed "boss" at the watchtower bible & tract society.... a priest who exposed sexual misconduct by fellow priests in northern virginia faces unspecified charges within the roman catholic church that supporters fear could lead to his defrocking.. in a court deposition, the reverend james haley exposed the affair that another priest had with a married woman.
he accused two other priests of hoarding gay pornography and one of them of stealing from collection plates.. the three accused priests resigned, but haley's supporters say he's been on involuntary leave for a year and faces further disciplinary action by arlington bishop paul loverde.. in his deposition, haley said he was overwhelmed by the amount of homosexual activity in the priesthood, but was stonewalled by loverde when he provided evidence of impropriety.. news stories follow.... link: http://fredericksburg.com/news/fls/2002/122002/12022002/1038872022 .
whistle-blower priest in trouble with diocese.
Quandry >> Although I am still an active witness, in fact an elder, it is ONLY because of my family ties. I have already come to the conclusion that this organization does NOT have 'the truth', I have been able to detach God from any man made organization and maintain, in fact, strengthen my personal relationship with Him even more. <<
I'm not an elder but I was forced stepped down - and I'm glad. I feel a lot freer. I'm a JW too but basically inactive and I'm just under the radar screen. I do have friends who are elders. One that I grew up with and consider a good friend but is constantly sad, depressed even. He wasn't that way until about a year into his eldership. He puts up a good face but I know him better than that. I worry about him.
I've learned a lot of things here and from other sources. And, of course, the things you pick up from being in the 'truth' for a while. I'm sure not every disfellowshippment were because of fornication. I'm sure some were apostate charges. And I'm sure some who were driven out because of apostacy didn't go quietly but after giving the elders an earful regarding the organization.
I think my elder friend is having a crisis of conscience. He is not a stupid man. But I hope he survives. I'll be there for him.
I'm glad you are holding up. I'm also very glad that your relationship with Jehovah is stronger as a result. Good for you! For me the disillusionment was a heavy burden but I've learned that for some things the Org was a protection for me. Kept me out of troubles - glad I wasn't an elder's kid, a lot of them get away with murder. [smile] Now that I see the dangers in the Org and from my own 'faithful' friends, I keep my wits. I'm not bitter but so much of my life was a waste. I hope someday that the Org would reform. But I starting to see that that will happen only if the GB were to die or discredit themselves in a big way.
>>Anyway, the information that has especially bothered me is rumors about members of the GB, ie Greenlees, Sydlik, and Jaracz having allegations against them of pedophilia. I don't have the time to really investigate the validity of these accusations, nonetheless I am not quick to discard these allegations as just spurts from disgruntled xjws. If the GB could be responsible for so many injustices as are mentioned in Ray Franz's book COC, (I have not read the book completely, just excerpts here and there) what's to stop them from committing gross sexual sins and even worse ,continue to display such a "holier than thou" attitude? If in the end these allegations are proven, I have a strong feeling it will disenchant so many, it might really be the one card that brings the "whole" house down. <<
I've heard the same rumors. I think they have a basis in fact because I've heard of some wild and inappropiriate activities that have gone on in Bethel.
I think Franz's COC book has disenchanted many. Those that have generally leave or get kicked-out with disfellowshipping. Once they are out of the Org their threat is minimal. It is the very few of us who know that goes on and still continue flying under the radar that worries the Org. We are the cause of the GB's paranoia. They'd love to find us. [smile] But I've noticed through the years how assembly talks and even dramas have such a heavy current of obedience and loyalty to the Org. Even my long time JW friends notice and both tire and worry about it. To borrow a phrase from Princess Leia from Star Wars, 'The more they squeeze, the more we slip through out of their fingers.'
Hang in there, one and all!
Edited by - Roddy on 6 December 2002 1:30:40
isnt he just the cutest?
these were taken at joy2bfree and jst2laws's place.
he can be such a ham.
Cute, flower. But at first I thought what mother would allow her son to play in the snow without proper clothing. Then I realized that it was sand. That's pretty white sand you have there.
So where is your pic?
i don't think any of this is really all that unusual so i'm sorry if you find it dull.
i was raised in the jw cult from birth, a third generation member to boot.
my family was full of elders, ministerial servants and overseers of all sorts.
Quotes >>I'm just chuckling at the thought of the "older men" asking all the lurid details at the JC.<<
They are nosey dirty old men.
Aztec, you shown remarkable restraint. I would have cut loose with exactly what I thought of their "investigation". You had the baby. That's the end of it. What else do they want? I think they secretly enjoy hearing, not the truth, but the intimate details. They view extracting information as God's work but it is verbal pornography. They fool themselves and they love it. They must really line-up for these kinds of cases. What's worse, they are not qualified. They are quacks, at best.
Arrgh! Makes me mad!
