Well you sure have done some research Yiz --- To much "knowledge" for me to swallow.I stopped taking in "knowledge" when I got to KNOW Christ. But thanks the pictures I did enjoy- your a very clever guy.....
You're welcome..I think.
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About that pesky number 666...
by czarofmischief inas a horror fan, i've seen every antichrist movie from the omen to the omega code.
and that number 666 keeps popping up.
so, i was thinking about that number, and how it's actually written in the bible is a bit odd.
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New jerusalem
by heathen inok ,i'm reading in the revelation book on page 306- measuring the city.
we are talking the wt interpretation of the scripture of revelation 21:15-17. the angel is giving the apostle john the measurements for the city of new jerusalem.
these measurements according to the wt equal 1380 miles in perimeter and a wall that covers an area 14 times the size of modern day isreal.and it towers 350 miles into outer space.i just can't figure why the society tells us that these are symbolic measurement .
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The WT has the measurements all wrong...
Revelation 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia [1] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits [2] thick, [3] by man's measurement, which the angel was using.Footnotes
- 21:16 That is, about 1,400 miles (about 2,200 kilometers)
- 21:17 That is, about 200 feet (about 65 meters)
- 21:17 Or high
So from the length of the city, it's 1,400 miles long on ALL 4 sides of the wall, then the height is only 200 feet high as the same as the thickness of the wall to be 200 feet.
Heheh, the wall going high orbit? Heheh, funny WT these old geezers are.
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About that pesky number 666...
by czarofmischief inas a horror fan, i've seen every antichrist movie from the omen to the omega code.
and that number 666 keeps popping up.
so, i was thinking about that number, and how it's actually written in the bible is a bit odd.
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Another photo of the gate.
A shot from inside the city.
Some of the bricks of the ancient ruins still carry the embossed message of King Nebuchadnezzar. The message reads, "I am Nebuchadnezzar, the king of the world"
The hand is pointing to a new set of inscription on the new bricks, it reads...
"In the era of President Saddam Hussein all Babylon was constructed in three stages. From Nebuchadnezzar to Saddam Hussein, Babylon is rising again."
As usual, "Uncle" Saddam loves his face plastered everywhere that he rules over and this one is no exception. Ugh!
The foundations continue to rise above the vast river plain. The unfinished buildings in the foreground testify to the immensity and scale of the development.This place is going to be huge when it's all completed. It is my understanding that this place may be the home for the anti-christ one day.
Yizuman
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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Tried it, dude. Didn't work. I finally realized that the HS was just something that some ancient goat herders made up and wrote about in a book. Remember, almost all of us used to be Christians... even after leaving the Borg.
What have we got to lose? A whole lot of time for one... sanity for another.
Works for me because I believe. Doesn't work for you because you don't believe. Big difference there.
I know it works because He's there for me time and time again. I'm a living testament to that fact. I once had the exact same problem you did long before I gave my life to Christ. I couldn't understand the bible at all, never did at that time, so I gave up on it. Until after I accepted Christ and then for the first time in my life, I finally understood the bible far more better than I ever did in the past.
LOL You are too funny, man. Yeah, I'll be waiting for that Tribulation... and waiting.... and waiting... say, we've only been waiting for 2000 some odd years so far! Mack truck.... priceless hahaha
Oh it's closer than we think. In fact, remember the prophecy regarding to the rebuilding of the city of Babylon? Check this link....
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=43211&page=1&site=3#603490
Scroll down and read my post...interesting stuff I put up.
Laters
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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I'm sure that theory sounds perfectly plausible to you, but it is demonstrably false. The reason I and most other atheists on this board do not believe is because of lack of evidence... not because of a knee-jerk emotional reaction.
My only guess is whether or not you believe what you see during the Tribulation. That is if you survive the Rapture while on the road and don't get hit by a Mack truck with no driver behind the wheel. Or that a Mack truck doesn't plow into your house and run over you.
From there, what you see and decide to believe will be up to you. I wish you luck from there.
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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Wait a sec, buddy. Personally, if God appeared right now and explained his purpose and basically made Himself known, I'd do whatever I could to please Him. So an "unbeliever" does not automatically fall into all the categories you mention above.
But you already know he's not going to do that. Even if He did, what truely makes you think you will do whatever you could do to "please" Him? (That reference there makes me sick, I'm sorry. He's not interested in the desire for you to "please" him, based on the choice of words you have made. Rather, he wants to have a personal one on one relationship with you. He's not interested in "religion" such as working your way to earn your salvation in order to "please" Him. He desires to save you from sin, but you must also have the same desire to be saved from sin.)
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.Ephesians 2 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
God showed his power many times throughtout the old testament, such as God lead Moses and his people out of Egypt. They saw God parted the waters and they crossed, they saw God closed the waters and drowned Egypt's army. They all saw the plagues and diseases that was upon egypt. They watched all the firstborns die throughout egypt, let alone saved the ones who had their doors marked with the blood of the lamb as the angel of death passed over them. They were fed mana and water that sprang from the ground for them to drink. They saw God turned moses staff into a snake while the Pharoah's wizards turned theirs into snakes and Moses' snake swallowed them all.
All the while and even after all they have seen, man still harden their hearts against God. Man are unsatisfied with anything and everything. Even when Moses lead his people across the river, the Egyptian army in hot pursuit, man complained that God has failed them as they are about to be slaughtered by the army and said that Egypt was a much better life for them than being dead in the desert.
Even when Moses left the people to go up to the mountain to receive God's laws, people complained that life where they were is awful and Egypt was better, then later said Moses is dead and God has failed them. So they said, "Let us create a new god, one that we know will never fail us" and they created a COW and worshipped it. They even killed a human being on it as a sacrifice.
Then Moses returns and sees what they have done, you know what he did next, he smashed the stone tablets and as a result, the earth opened up and swallowed all those who turned their backs on God, (especially those were ungrateful of everything God has done for them) sparing those who wanted nothing to do with their activities.Jesus showed his miracles to the people. He healed the sick, raised the dead. He walked on water, he turned water to wine. Man still hearten their hearts and they arrested him, turned Him over to the Romans, they begged for the life of a murderer to be spared and left Jesus to rot in jail. They watched Jesus being crucified and they cheered when he was dead. They even mocked Jesus and said, "If you are truely the Son of God, spare yourself and come down from the cross! Heal thyself!"
Even when Jesus rose from the dead and 500 witnesses saw him after the resurrection. Many still did not believe and hearten their hearts against God. The disciples performed miracles even long after Christ returned to heaven, man still didn't believe.
Finally, Jesus himself said....
John 4:48
"Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe."
(Whole Chapter: John 4 In context: John 4:47-49)It's hard for me to grasp the concept of the God in the Bible, but that doesn't mean I don't believe. I'm just waiting for the time to come when all will be known - then I'll know for sure what and how to believe. Just seems to make more sense to me that way, instead of trying to interpret writings that are claimed to be inspired by God, but knowing mankind has been deceiving since day 1....
God is hard to understand because we lack the one thing that will help us understand God and his Word, The Holy Spirit.
John 14:26 " 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is Godbreathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
(Whole Chapter: 2 Timothy 3 In context: 2 Timothy 3:15-17) (Greek: Godbreathed means inspired by the Holy Spirit)1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(Whole Chapter: 1 Corinthians 2 In context: 1 Corinthians 2:13-15)Before I open the Bible, I pray that God send the HS to help me understand His word and if I have trouble understanding any particular passage that I read, who do I go to ask what it means? I go to the source, the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is my teacher and I rely only in Him to help me understand His word. I do not rely on man at all. He answers me every time.
Give the HS a shot dude, what have you got to lose?But if you prefer to see to believe than read His word. Then, just wait for the Tribulation to come. From there you can decide what to believe. But it won't be fun at all during the next 7 years.
Yizuman
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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical
by MrMoe injesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
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Matthew 7:6
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
(Whole Chapter: Matthew 7 In context: Matthew 7:5-7)These folks clearly don't want to have anything to do with God, they hate Him and everything that represents Him.
They do not want to be saved. That is their choice.
They do not want to go to heaven. That is their choice.
There's nothing that we can do or say to change their minds. Not even God can change their minds. He will not force them to be saved. They have to have the want and desire to be saved, no one else can do that for them.
I'm truely sorry that each and every one of you have been deceived by a false religion which has fostered distrust of anything religion after leaving the org.
Hate and distrust is a very powerful bitter pill to swallow, especially when one is angry and embarrassed for having had been duped by a false religion. Your intelligence feels extrememly insulted by the fact that you once believed them and cannot believe you actually believed them in the first place. So you believe no more.
The damage has been done and is irrepairable.
I wish you all good luck in your endeavers as you go on with life.
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MY Best Birthday EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Jesika inwell, this will be the best birthday i have ever had.
i had lunch with my mom and she has never had sushi before and she loved it.
it was sooooooo funny watching her try to use chopsticks....... to no avail--lol.
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Personal trainer??
Oh boy, I think the bf made a big mistake there.
I can see Jesika drooling over her personal trainer!
LOL!
It's great to hear you had an outstanding b-day party! Congratz hun!
Here's the drink to the GREAT JESIKA!!
Yizuman
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About that pesky number 666...
by czarofmischief inas a horror fan, i've seen every antichrist movie from the omen to the omega code.
and that number 666 keeps popping up.
so, i was thinking about that number, and how it's actually written in the bible is a bit odd.
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My theory about the meaning of the number is as follows: It's a reference to Nebuchadnezzars golden image, which he used to unify his empire in false worship. That golden image was in dimensions of sixes, six being a babylonian holy number.
So, in Revelation, when the number appears, it is actually a prediction of a Universal Church of some sort, membership in which will be required to do anything like buy or sell or get married. It's an odd thought, but if an Anti-Christ appears and rules over all, it follows he might try the same thing that Neuchadnezzar did to solidify his power.
You Bible scholars out there, what do you think?
Right up the alley....in fact you said it way better than I could explain it.
The mark of the beast, known as 666, is a system in which the anti-christ will establish as part of the loyalty system he will set up sometime in the middle of the Tribulation. This system will be a new government that will consist both politics and religion combine. The anti-christ is going to establish his godhead on the new system.
This Universal Church you speak up will be a one world religion. Currently, today, the Universal Church believes that ALL religion is true and expresses TOTAL religious tolerance. Any that does not tolerate one's religion to another is an enemy of the Univeral Church. The Roman Catholic church has a membership with the Universal Church. The Pope had attended the UC meetings every year since he inherited the church's throne. Many people from all faiths have gathered together to express universal peace and tolerance to one's religion. I'm sure many of you have read about it already in the news.
Anyway, this mark of the beast, 666, will be the most primary source of survival during the tribulation. As mentioned above, you cannot buy or sell or get married or hold a job without this mark. In fact, you will not be able to live without this mark, if you get caught during the middle of the tribulation for not wearing the mark, you will face execution.
Aside the mark, there is a microchip being tested as we speak, this microchip is being inserted on animals as well as old folks who suffers the alhzimer(?)'s disease, also known as the wandering disease. This chip, when scanned by a handscan attached to the computer will open up information pertaining about you, such as your ID number, your medical files, work history, your work credit (as the same as monitary cash or currentcy), criminal records (if any), and all other pertainable information.
This chip will eventually replace the currency we now use, such as cash, credit cards, debit cards, etc. Time clocks will have a handscanner that you can clock in to receive credit for the work you have done and same to clock out when you are done for the day. All credit will go to your bank once the payroll system approves them.
From there, when you shop, grocery stores will have a hand scanner that will scan your chip that will automatically "debit" your account by looking up your "debit" account number to check to see if you have enough credit in your bank account for approval. Once approved, you can take your grocery home. Same for gas and anything else you may normally purchase on a weekly basis.
Hospitals will also have the same system and will need your chip to enter you in as either as an in-patient or out-patient for whatever medical reasons you need. Same for a normal doctor appointment.
Get busted while speeding? Cops already have a computer in their units. Wireless handheld scanners is already being used in variety of reasons, such as grocery stores, warehouses, etc. The cops will have one inside their unit and will scan a chipper for their driver's information and you will get a printout of your ticket as well as a permanant record of your violations. So, if you decide to become a chipper, don't speed! :p
One good thing about the microchip out of all the bad things it will be used for, drug Caesars will have a hard time selling their dope w/o being tracked and detected. It will be very hard to hide your credit.
Unless, you have a very reliable hacker that knows the inner workings of the system and can create conterfeit chips and be able to bypass the system to plant false information about a person w/o being caught. Although there will be a very few people that will have the technological know-how to do this. One thing for certain, there will be plenty of counterfeiters walking around getting away with things. Question is, some will want to be paid for this, so how to do that??? Hmmmmmmm. Interesting problem.
Although this could also be useful for those who are against the new system, such as Christians for a good example. They will need a hacker to help them get around and get information on the movements and happenings on the anti-christ and his goons. They'll want to know what's going on and move people around to avoid his goons hunting them down.
While the chip will be inserted under the skin, it will become invisible to the naked eye of everyone. But, there also has to be a need for a visible mark, so the visible mark will probably be most likely a tattoo of some sort. I will explain why there is a need for a visible mark later in this post...
Now, take a look at some links below pertaining to the microchip, the links I will provide are BOTH secular and Christian viewpoints....
http://www.dogsncats.asn.au/catkit/6_options_for_identification_sys.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/la/prophet1/cstmny.html
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9901/14/chipman.idg/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/05/08/ncguest2.htmNow I am going to explain why there is a need for a visible mark....
According to scripture, there will be another kind of mark, which is the Seal of God. This seal will be on the foreheads of every believer that have to come to believe in God and in His Son Christ Jesus. Every new believer will receive this seal immediately upon conversion.
The vast majaority of scholars agree this seal cannot be seen by unbelievers and only believers will be able to see each other's seal. This will help believers find other believers more easily while at the same time, invade unbelievers.
Remember, this seal only works during the tribulation. We are by no means today able to see any kind of seal from each other. Those who are already believers will be gone right before the Tribulation begins, this is called the Rapture. Over 50 million believers today could be gone at any given moment. Why the reason for the Rapture? I can explain this in another thread when I get time to do it. You may find this very interesting.
Now, here's some scriptures that talks about this seal...
Revelation 7:3
"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 7 In context: Revelation 7:2-4)Revelation 9:4
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 9 In context: Revelation 9:3-5)Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 14 In context: Revelation 14:1-2)According to scripture, the seal will protect some of them for a short period of time. Most will be killed when they are discovered to be w/o the anti-christ's mark of loyalty. Those who are protected during a short period of time will occur during the latter part of the tribulation. This is another story to explain, I will post it after I finish this mark and seal topic.
Anyway, the anti-christ will become aware of the seal of God and not even he can see them.
So, to counter this problem and to help him find the believers out of all of the unbelievers (hence this problem will be like seperating salt and sugar from among the population). He will create his own mark, a counterfeit mark of God. Since Satan loves to counterfeit everything that is of God (i.e. counterfeit religions like JWs, Mormons, Reuninification church, etc. etc.).Once he establishes the mark system, it will become easier to find the believers since they will not be wearing a worldwide visible mark. His goons will be on the lookout for believers not wearing his mark and arrest them.
They will try and scare them to take the mark by threatening their lives. If that fails, they will be executed.
Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 20 In context: Revelation 20:3-5)Eventally almost, if not all believers will be killed during the last leg of the tribulation...
Revelations 6:9 - When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
If any survives, however few may be, will be able to see the Glorious return of Christ, who will then usher in His rulership over the earth that will last 1000 years.
Now, about Babylon, we know of 2 past histories of that city.
In Genesis, Babylon was built as a tower and God confused their language and spread them across the earth.
The second was a complete city and was totally fortified from their enemies. God's people found a way in the city and destroyed it.
Now, the city of Babylon will be resurrected again for the third time. Guess what? It's being rebult. Guess where it is? Hang on to your socks folks, the ruins of the city has been found in Iraq. Guess who is funding the restoration of the city? None other than Saddam Hussen.
Here's some pictures of the restoration of the city...
This is the Istar's Gate, it was found buried in sand and dirt deep in the ground. Most of the entire city was completely covered in sand and dirt. It took a long time for the entire city to be unearth. The walls had to be rebuilt as well as the buildings inside. This gate survived with very little damage to it, except for the paint which had to be repainted, some paint survived the abrasion of sand and dirt to give the rebuilders an idea what color the gate was.
Here is the walls of the city, not entirely done yet since this was once a huge city. There's still more work to do.
This is the palace that belongs to Saddan Hussen, one of the many palaces he owns. It's not far from the city and judging from the trees, you can see how HUGE his palace is. My guess he doesn't want the original city to dwarf his own palace next to it. Tsk, typical of Saddam.An earlier photo sometime during or after the gulf war. You can see some damage of the wall as well on top of it. Note how thick the wall was at that period of time.
I'm tracking down more photos of the city. I will post them when I find more.
The city's reconstruction took place before the gulf war. So, photos will be hard to find. I first saw this on a book about Saddam Hussen and inside it was tons of photos dating back from the beginning to before the gulf war. I saw a photo of the gate covered in dirt and sand with the damage on the paint. When I saw it, I realized the prophecy concerning the 3rd rebirth of Babylon, which is a sign that Christ's return is not far at all, next to the prophecy of the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Israel. The ground breaking ceramony had already taken place before the election of Prime Minister Sharon which caused a outbreak of fighting between Arafat's people and the people of Israel a few years ago (and still going on even to this day). Unfortunantly, scholars believe we will not be able to see it being rebuilt until after the Tribulation has begun.
So before Christ returns, these two things needs to be fullfilled in scripture, the resurrection of Babylon and the renewal Jewish Temple.
So we see that Babylon is already being fullfilled in scripture, next will be the Temple of God.
Yizuman
Edited by - Yizuman on 27 December 2002 12:34:41
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Another WTdouble standards
by Stan Conroy ini had the misfortune of looking through the june 8 2002 awake, and stumbled across an article on hawaiian luahas (pardon my spelling as i don't have it here in front of me).
the footnote said something along the lines of it originating with false religion, but now it's just considered a banquet, so many christians participate with a clean conscience.. wait a minute!.
what ever happened to "if it had pagan origins it's bad"?
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LOL, that is a double standard.
This is ironic that the WTBS slams pagan rituals for years and then they talk about how wonderful all this Hawiian stuff is and how to roast a pig to boot.
Yizuman
~Proud to be a well educated deaf individual. What's your problem?~