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  HELP: the cross or the stake

  by never a jw in

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  just asking for help from the vast number of very knowledgeable people here.

  when was the "stake" doctrine adopted by jw's and what publication contains that information.

  thank you..

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  rocketman

  "The JW's get hung up on these details" - pun intended, Faithful Witness?
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  New "Generations" WT Study Article in 2014??

  by daringhart13 in

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  i see people mentioning this and have visited the site looking at all posted wt's.......i see no paragraph's discussing 'generations'....does anyone have any direction?.

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  Doug Mason commented: "The anonymous people who wrote that Gospel and put the word "this generation" on to Jesus' lips were meaning their own generation, not some people living at some arbitary time in the future.

  They got it wrong, just as Paul got it wrong (1 Thess), as did the writer of Revelation. They all thought the Coming was imminent, during their own time, the time of their generation."

  This hints at the simplest way to understand it. Let's say that Jesus actually did say "this generation". The simplest way to understand it is that Jesus was referring to the people he was talking to and who lived at that time. And the destruction of Jersusalem in 70 A.D. fits that "generation" by any measure of the definition, since it occured only 37 years afterward.

  Any other attempt to apply to some future time is problematic, which the folly of the WTS's speculations has born out.
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  "The War That Changed The World" Does Not Stress Urgency or Generation Passing Away

  by steve2 in

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  2014 in jwlandia has begun with a tired embrace of the hoary 1914 doctrine.

  any speculation they'd 'ignore' the centenary of this doctrinal embarrassment is thus shown to be if not wrong, then premature.

  the wind-up watchtower toy prattles the same old nonsense.. look at the public edition watchtower for february 2014:.

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  And so it begins...2014 ought to be interesting as far as the Watchtower's handling (or lack thereof) of it is concerned.
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  Have You Ever Met...Or KNOW...a GB Member?

  by Cold Steel in

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  if so, what is your experience?

  i've seen only a few talks by gb members and would like to hear what they're like.

  are they personable, aloof, humble, arrogant?

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  rocketman

  I met Fred Franz, briefly. A local elder brought him in for a visit, ad I walked up to the car he was riding in to say hello. He seemed pretty humble - seated in the back seat while the elder's wife rode shotgun, if that means anything.
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  WATCHTOWER HOAXES on the spectrum of mendacity

  by Terry in

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  the word hoax is thought to be derived from the magician's utterance of silly "hocus-pocus" so-called magic incantation.. this is jibberish, of course--a fake latin-sounding phrase mimmicking the priest's words in catholic mass changing wine into the "actual" blood of christ.. yeah.. only a conscious attempt to deceive separates a hoax from an otherwise mistake or urban myth.. according to folklorist jan brunvand, a 'hoax tends to indicate "relatively complex and large-scale fabrications" and includes deceptions that go beyond the merely playful and "cause material loss or harm to the victim".brunvand, jan h. (1998).

  american folklore: an encyclopedia.

  taylor & francis.

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  Very telling. It was from the minds of these idiots that this religion had (and still has) so many of its teachings.
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  They are all SCREWED

  by Terry in

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  jehovah's witnesses acquire peculiar ideas.. those peculiar ideas give rise to warped views.. the more warped a jw's outlook becomes the more the association with others whose thinking has twisted will conform and radicalize them.. .

  consider this simple statement of scripture, first.. 1 timothy 5:8revised standard version (rsv).

  8 if any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.. .

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  When Matthew 11:30 was read and/or considered at meetings, the question would always pop into my mind: 'Why, then, do I feel so burdened?' It's because, as Terry points out, the JW religion is burdensome. Any religion that expects its adherents to form their lives, goals, and dreams/aspirations around it is a burden, and that's exactly what the Watchtower expects from Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Good post Terry.
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  Due to Oct 5th WT Biz Meet all meetings for that week are cancelled

  by illoowy in

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  i was informed that due to oct 5th wt biz meet all meetings for that week are cancelled,.

  i asked if the mid week meeting was also and was told yes, because of the assembly.. it seems there's an overload of theocratic alternative banqueting feasts available so.

  that the regular menu at the kh is not necessary for that week.

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  A lot of Wtnesses will rejoice at some time off.
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  The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things

  by confusedandalone in

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  now in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.

  spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.

  watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.

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  I guess it's like doing anything (like working at a job, even one we like) for a long time - we don't want to do it forever. After a few decades (if that), we're ready for a change, we want to move on to something else.

  If there is a heaven, one would think that getting there would open up incredible vistas that we have trouble conceiving at this time. On the surface, being there forever would appear to be boring. But it's a big universe, and that's just the part we can observe via telescopes.

  But it would have to be purposeful. We'd have to be achieving something up there. Otherwise, what good would it be?
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  what is it with Watchtower "human apostates"?

  by besty in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/search?cx=partner-pub-4963413421914369%3ag5in7s-4bz3&cof=forid%3a10&ie=iso-8859-1&q=%22human+apostate.

  this new phrase keeps coming up - any thoughts?

  nothing yet on wol jw org .

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  I've been hearing a radio ad lately for a company that says you'll talk to a "live human" when you call. It struck a cord with me, since I generally prefer speaking to a live human instead of to speaking a dead human.
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  AWAKE quote that is a "Point the finger" and ......

  by Phizzy in

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  2. bible

  remember , there's three pointing back at the wt !

  the following quote is taken from the awake 22nd april 1970 issue, pg 8 : -.

  "one of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches.

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  Good catch, Phizzy!