Posts by joe134cd

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Mexico: 2020 Census results released; bad news for the org?

by Corney in

a decade ago, the 2010 census found there were 1,561,086 jehovah's witnesses in mexico (census page > tabular data > basic questionnaire > religion).

and according to the recently released 2020 census results, the number of mexicans identifying as such has declined by 2% to 1,530,909. both figures greatly outnumber those reported by the organization (e.g., peak publishers: 710 thousands and 874 thousands respectively), which means the former ones include children and free-riders.

for comparison, the total population has grown by 12%, the catholic, adventist (sda) and mormon (lds) populations - by 5%, 16% and 6% respectively.

joe134cd

Menrov - What slim is trying to say is that the demographics of an inactive has changed. For example a person becoming inactive because he wants to watch the football on Sunday morning, but still believes it to be the truth. Therefore, he identifies with the religion in the census. To that same person been exposed to negative information via the internet, or news media, and not self identifying as a jw.

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Mexico: 2020 Census results released; bad news for the org?

by Corney in

a decade ago, the 2010 census found there were 1,561,086 jehovah's witnesses in mexico (census page > tabular data > basic questionnaire > religion).

and according to the recently released 2020 census results, the number of mexicans identifying as such has declined by 2% to 1,530,909. both figures greatly outnumber those reported by the organization (e.g., peak publishers: 710 thousands and 874 thousands respectively), which means the former ones include children and free-riders.

for comparison, the total population has grown by 12%, the catholic, adventist (sda) and mormon (lds) populations - by 5%, 16% and 6% respectively.

joe134cd

This subject interests me regarding the growth rates of religious groups, and success of the methods used. I have written on this subject many times. Here is one example.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5926017217593344/lds-statistics-extension-may-suggest-that-jws-could-bigger-more-engaged-membership

Although the census does show 3 other religious groups out preforming the JWs. What it doesn’t show are the activity rates and the depth of involvement by its members. Let’s make this clear, saying and doing are two different things. Btw take lds membership with a grain of salt.

However, the Mexican census does support a few things. The counting methods used by the JWs tends to underestimate rather than overestimate. Generally, census figures tend to be twice that of what WT reports. This would support that Wt is been honest with it’s counting. Interestingly, the memorial attendance is around 20million, which would account for those who aren’t really involved in the religion.

If you look at the above post. One could justifiably speculate that the jws could perhaps be bigger and more involved than the lds. This becomes even more impressive when you factor in that the lds had a 50 year head start on the JWs. By the the time CT Russel came along the mormons were established in Utah.

In my opinion, the religion to watch is the SDA. Eventually this religion will begin to dominate the JWs/lds. They may even well be doing it now.

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Pioneers, Elder's Wives most self righteous. Etc.

by Overrated in

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as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?

who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.

and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.

joe134cd

I can think of an elders wife who was a real nasty toxic bitch.

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Interesting place for a KH. My thoughts

by joe134cd in

yesterday i happened to be driving through a rural town where i made an observation.

first let me describe this town.

it’s almost a shadow of its former self.

joe134cd

Yesterday I happened to be driving through a rural town where I made an observation. First let me describe this town. It’s almost a shadow of its former self. I guess this would be a result of urban shift. It is poor, with mainly an indigenous population. Massive problems with the cultivation, manufacture, and usage of drugs. Apart from a grocery store, petrol station and a pub there is absolutely nothing to do. This could be one of the reasons for the high consumption of drugs and birth rate. There has also been issues with gangs. Anyway, you get what I mean.

Here is what really stood out to me. The only 2 churches left in this town were the KH and the LDS. The lds building was impeccably well kept. Although the KH wasn’t to the standard of the lds, and probably more reflected the economic situation of the community, it was still passable. Both buildings were probably of a higher standard to the area they existed in. Telling indeed. Make what you like of it, as to the environments these 2 groups flourish in, and their standard of membership.

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Wife told me a tale about a letter writing experience and my BS meter was like "uhhh ya rightttttt"

by goingthruthemotions in

so me and my pimi wife are driving today and normally we don't talk anything about her stupid cult.

because it will end up with me saying something and her getting p.o'ed.

well anyways i have been trying to just ignore the bs and keep my mouth shut.

joe134cd

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5759711579209728/just-wanting-confirmation-on-unofficial-jw-experience

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Are faders like me just cowards? Should I show my face?

by Witness 007 in

i feel bad i just faded away and did not "come out" as an apostate hater.

my mum died refusing blood and still i hang back my wife still has witness friends and goes to the memorial every year..

joe134cd

Yup I agree with the posters here. I’m a fader as well. I’m happy to be mentally and physically out, just can’t be bothered upsetting the apple cart with a JC. Don’t try and fix what isn’t broken.

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Zoom meetings

by molybdenum in

being pimo i attend the meetings regularly over zoom.

( i have to as my wife is a dyed -in - the wool, and stick-in-the mud pioneer witness.

i have no possibility of leaving as it would create havoc in my life and at 68 years of age i just don't want the hassle of having to cope with the ramifications of disassociating myself.

joe134cd

Please don’t take offence to my comments here, but there is a time if a person hasn’t left the org by a certain age. The person is better off left there. My elderly father, who is a bit older than you, is a perfect example. Waking up and getting DFed at his stage in life would literally kill him. So much so that when that TV doco “the witness” aired in this country. I took him out to dinner ,out of fear, he would stumble across it as he was flicking through the channels. To this day, I still think, he is unaware of its existence. I see this as a positive thing. Although I realise CSA is a very bad thing. Hey, I just do what is best for my dad.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

joe134cd

It’s a hard question. I would say the number of people who have accepted TTATT, to the point that they investigate on the internet,would be under 5%. As I look back on when I was PIMO, there were a couple of people who I now wonder knew that the jw religion wasn’t all that it appeared. They are still trudging along for whatever reason.

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