Posts by thegentleman

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a portion of my story

by thegentleman in

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hey everyone, as if you have not heard a story like this before:.

i'm currently studying for exams being a railroad conductor(one of the exams is april 17th).

while that is stressful enough , i've realized that sometimes something as simple as encouragement or support from someone you care about deeply goes a long way.

thegentleman

Hey everyone, as if you have not heard a story like this before:

I'm currently studying for exams being a Railroad Conductor(one of the exams is April 17th). While that is stressful enough , I've realized that sometimes something as simple as encouragement or support from someone you care about deeply goes a long way. Its the little things that matter the most to me. A JW "friend" of mine that I had met August 2001 was going through a lot at the time that we met. Her mother had been diagnosed with cancer for the fourth time, and she was having trouble with men in general. Day in and day out, I was always there to listen , to support , and to encourage. Her mother is not a JW(really a sweet person), although her aunt and cousin who live with her are. I was the only man she brought home and she'll be 26. Before I knew it I was called "Satan" , not just the "Devil" but even better , a "White ". Of course the Elders gave her the old ultimatum , you either pick him or "jehovah". I for one had enough of being called everything in the book, labeled without the elders even saying a word to my face. I had mentioned to her that she is living in fear of the elders, her aunt etc. Its unreal, i couldnt even mail anything to her house because she told me her mail isnt "secure", that her aunt had opened her mail in the past, snooping around. And this is who she trusts?? Frustration isnt the beginning of it. Now when all I would like to hear from her is a little bit of support (even a good luck ) as I prepare for my exams, I hear nothing. I'm starting to see that I feel like I am only here for the convienence and when I've served "my purpose" and give all I can give, that's it. Is that friendship ?? not in my book.. There's more to tell, I've kept a lot to myself as I have my entire life , thats the type of person I am. She is actually the first person I have been truly close to ever, maybe that's why its having such an impact on me, and she acts like thats how it is everyday business in the organization. I've just had enough of the fear and lack of love(there is none) in "God's so-called organization"

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I will never hear from her again

by berylblue in

jw
friends

a few days ago, i tracked down the only semi-real friend i had as a witness.

i called her at work and left a message.

she emailed me back, and seemed amenable to talking even though i am df.. she made a comment, "come back to jah.

thegentleman

Blue: You tried doing the right thing, if they want to react to that , the problem is on them, and just shows how they really are.. Unfortunately, I have been in a similiar circumstance , its still current, and as you know many friendships in the WT are "conditional".. To me a "conditional" friendship is no friendship at all.. Real friends don't always tell others what they want to hear all the time , sometimes its also what they need to hear although they dont realize it..

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The Immorality of Losing

by DakotaRed in

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friends

a very good article written by a 60's war protestor and left winger, who moved to israel and seems to have grown up and now sees the world through different eyes.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/hillel/halkin_protest.asp

the immorality of losing

thegentleman

Its true of the 5 million plus for foreign aid.. I remember when George Bush Sr. said those infamous words "New World Order".. There are a lot of political action committees in DC and they're all self-serving, thats essentially what they are there for in the first place anyway.. One of the problem has always been if you ever criticize Israel you're labeled as an "Israel-basher " or an "anti-Semite", that is why the politicians are normally afraid to speak their mind in the subject and relent.. They keep quiet because they wont get the contributions anymore...Why they can be critical of France and Germany and other countries that differ in opinion but they rarely open their mouth if they differ on their opinion with Israel? Just a double standard and relenting going on....

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The Whore of Babylon

by Gamaliel in

visiting a few jw/xjw forums lately, i'm reminded of phrases that have been never been brought to mind for 25 years.

(king of the north, jonadabs, etc, etc.

) i got to thinking again about that infamous old harlot, babylon the great.

thegentleman

Gama : I work the West Hempstead branch during the week, and the Hempstead branch on the weekends...I'm on one of the new M-7 trains... I did work the 3:37 AM train that left Babylon Wednesday morning though..

:: Our clean train campaign is working , so plese help by taking any Awake magazines that you see and depositing them in trash containers located on the station platform for your convienence...

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The Whore of Babylon

by Gamaliel in

visiting a few jw/xjw forums lately, i'm reminded of phrases that have been never been brought to mind for 25 years.

(king of the north, jonadabs, etc, etc.

) i got to thinking again about that infamous old harlot, babylon the great.

thegentleman

BTW, I ride the Babylon Line of the LIRR daily and, in fact, the U.N. momentarily rides me, or nearly so, twice a day when we push through a dark tunnel just a few blocks down south of the U.N. Plaza. (Come to think of it, the WTS has actually used trains to fulfill prophecy before.) Gamaliel Gamaliel: I'm probably one of those oh so annoying Conductors who wakes you up after Jamaica , and then shuts the door on you even though I see you running down the platform.. You don't realize how many Awake magazines I see on the train, well, I see them on the floor.... where they belong !

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I am leaving my wife...

by fulano in

and i feel sad.

everything happened so fast, 1999 back from patterson, 2000 inactive and no longer an elder, 2001 smoking everything that planet earth offers, and now in love with a girl for a couple of months.

i feel sad but liberated.

thegentleman

Just what I'm thinking , but "true" love is about sticking through thick and thin and working as a couple as well as on yourselves.. Even in a marriage etc. you're still an individual.. No marriage, relationship, or friendship is ever perfect and there is rough spots along the way even with the best relationships. The ones that survive and thrive is when BOTH people work at it. Its not the length of time that you're with someone- you could be married for 50 years and it could have been a living hell the whole time. On the outside everyone glorifies wow they've been married for 50 years , what a great marriage, yeah right it could be a big sham as well. The important thing is to be honest with yourself also, there's nothing worse than lying to yourself and living a lie. I've been thorugh certain experiences and I'm not that old( 30 in April)...

---I'll make it my own way, trying to learn from my mistakes, cause I got no role model , no footsteps I can follow, I'll make it my own way--- "Role Model" - H2O

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everyone voice in

by peacefulpete in

please express in 0ne to three words why you are on this web site.

: angry,confused and desperate,lonely,seeking affirmation,saving souls,to expose evil,curious about apostates, like being naughty, etc.

please limit comment to 3 or less words.

thegentleman

TRUTH , SOLACE , FREEDOM

"..Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.."

Robert Frost

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crisis of conscience

by mackey in

i am not a jw but a very close friend of mine is.we are so close that i have told her that i want to marry her ( if she leaves the org).

i have researched jw's quite a bit in recent months and have realized this book is probably my only chance at reaching her ( i also have isocf ).

she has reluctantly agreed to read them because she trust's me.

thegentleman

Mackey,

I've been there where you have been. I'm not a JW but the woman I love is. It seems like they want the best of both worlds. The "safety and comfort" of the congregation and a "worldly" person also in their life. I'm 29 and she is 25. I've been there for her since day 1 and would like to be there for her for the rest of my days. But it is true, don't push too much. I have in the past, and it has worked against me. Whether she would leave JW for you would be a monumental task. Only thing is take it one step at a time. Sit down and think things thorugh, there's no reason to rush what you may say or do. I wish you the best of luck, this is a difficult situation indeed, but you love her , so do not live in fear...

The Gentleman

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Fornication or loving intimacy???

by Raisputin in

so, my question is (and i am posting this on the other board as well for any that know me there).. what is the difference between "fornication" and "loving intimacy"?

by loving intimacy, yes i am still talking about sex, but i am speaking of sex between two people that care about each other and are in a relationship of some sort as opposed to a one-night stand..... for me the difference would be:.

"fornication": 1 night stand.

thegentleman

I agree with Nita... Love is more of an emotional connection whereas sex in and of itself is more likely to be a physical connection.. Sex can be meaningless depending upon the "relationship"..I honestly love this JW girl I know, but I don't want to have sex with her, I want to make love to her.. Now that's the difference

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Revenge, should I or shouldn't I.............

by Delite2k in

hey everyone, i haven't been here in a while, but i thought i'd drop by say hello and ask a silly question.

i still think about my ex (a jw) still, but i'm also angry with him for hurting me emotionaly and somewhat spiritualy.

(you can read my old post under this name to get an idea of what i talked about before) i feel like i want to get him back for the way he's made me feel.

thegentleman

There would be no real point to "getting revenge" by going to the KH and talking to one of the Elders. Believe me , I'm in a similiar situation. I'm not a JW but meet a JW(she's 25, I'm 29) on the train. She's been a JW for about 9 years but every relationship she has been in has been with a "worldly person". She told me about all the "relationships" with men she has been in , and it is been quite frequent since she was 20. She would live two lives. One at home where she was a "practicing" JW and then when she went to work she would let loose. I'm like the fourth guy she's been "in love" with. She has more "worldly experience" than I do, and she's the JW!! UNREAL !! She has never brought any of these men home because she wanted the best of both worlds. Then when she finally brought me home all heck broke loose. The family went to the elders and it was a big mess. I told her that I would go to the elders myself and talk to them and show my face to see the man I am. She got "reproved" and was told to cease all contact with me. Yeah right , she didnt. Lying right in the face to an elder that you're supposed to go to for "guidance". Needless to say, I went to meetings and the memorial to find out and see what this is all about. I see a ton of hypocritical stances and you're not allowed to question anything. I guess I'll make a bad JW then. On top of that she drinks a lot and goes to "happy hour " after work. Of course she comes home in time so no one suspects anything. Everything is always done behind the scenes, after work , taking days off from work. I know all of this, I was there. After all this, she's now running around with yet another "worldly man" from her office , and keeping it a secret. It's been a pattern for years and years, and I'm the bad guy who vowed to stick by her through thick and thin. I felt like going to the Kingdom Hall because its a whole lot of BS what is going on. But I figure hey she's only setting herself up for the big fall and one day sooner or later it'll all be exposed on its own. Plus, she'll never have a man who loves her more than . It might be cornball, but you or I are not the ones who lose out, it is them who lose out. She is losing out on a man who's willing to put everything on the line by standing beside her while all her "friends" disassociate themselves from her if she is ever disfellowshipped. She needs to wake up and realize who her real friends are. Maybe one day she will. Holla if you hear me..