scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries bce, with the 6th century bce as the most likely period for various reasons.
the book of job .. so according to jw`s about 6,000 years ago satan rebelled against jehovah god ,did jehovah disown him there and then shunning him ?.
apparently not as we can read from the book of job centuries later that satan could still come and go freely before the throne of jehovah in heaven .job 1: 6. and apparently he could still do this for centuries later ,that is coming to and fro before jehovah because according to the jw religion he wasn`t cast out of heaven for another 2,000 years until the 20th century .. now in the case of jesus much of what is said about jehovah and satan also applies to jesus before he came to earth.. but even when he was on earth he didn`t shun satan either in fact he allowed satan to lead him around according to the bible account.luke 4:13 so the devil having concluded all the temptations retired from him until another convenient time .so it wasn`t jesus calling the shots here it was satan .. mark 1: 13 he ,jesus, also shared 40 days in the wilderness with satan letting him tempt him .. so their was no way either jehovah or jesus ever shunned satan the devil according to the bible writings.. and when jesus ascended to heaven after his sacrifice he along with his father jehovah still had association with satan the devil until he was cast out of heaven 2,000 years later ,according to the jw`s..
Simple answer:
The shunning thing was primarily in Paul's writings, such as 1 Corinthians.
That was after the time of Jesus.
Jesus was not aware of the Noo Light while he was on earth. When Paul wrote the article, Jesus had already left and went back to Heaven.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/politics/coronavirus-jehovahs-witnesses.html.
the pandemic has put a stop to the activities of one of the nation’s most visible religious groups, jehovah’s witnesses.. read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/politics/coronavirus-jehovahs-witnesses.html.
A Bethel speaker just said that this pandemic is the soft start of the GT!"
FedUpJW ...
I heard something similar, taking to some family friends from NY City.
I just commented that before the GT starts, the UN has to take worldwide power, all false religion will be destroyed, the nations will see that only JW's are left, then Gog (the Magog guy) will focus their attack on JW's. Then at that point, the GT will start.
I was on the phone and it got rather quiet. The only comment he made was, "we'll have to wait and see."
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some towns require everyone going outside to wear one.
one massachusetts city requires anyone from 5 up to wear a mask.
some cities require masks and have shut down parks and sports playing while others in a nearby town have no such restrictions.
Min ...
It works, believe me. I'm sure some people were smiling when I have gone to the food store when I wear mine. Problem is that it is hard to see any reactions since other people are wearing masks too ... lol.
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some towns require everyone going outside to wear one.
one massachusetts city requires anyone from 5 up to wear a mask.
some cities require masks and have shut down parks and sports playing while others in a nearby town have no such restrictions.
then FREE masks should be provided
Not to pull a camel through a gnat, a needle through a gnat's hole, a gnat up a camel's hole, the jawbone of a camel's ass ... or whatever the verse(s) say ...
But there is no need to purchase a mask. As far as I have seen, they want your mouth covered in case you sneeze or something.
I believe any piece of cloth works. They even have said NOT to use a real (95) version mask since they want those used by the professionals.
I know the laws say in most places that you shouldn't have your crotch exposed in public but I wouldn't expect the government to buy me a pair of pants.
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jws or mormons.
from a public point of view not from people within the religion as that would be obvious.. examples of extreme beliefs or behaviour would be useful..
I always wondered if the Magical Underwear gives them some sort of buzz.
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people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).
even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.
in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.
And of course when smokers choose to put themselves at risk you would be fine if they refuse any treatment for lung cancer, right?
FedUpJW ...
There is a huge difference here. Doctors, nurses and the support staffs don't get lung cancer, liver disease or whatever treating people who have willfully abused their bodies.
That is not the same with CONVID-19. You check into a hospital and you have put everyone from the first responders to the cleaning people in the hospital at risk of death, not to mention the doctors and nurses.
That was my original point.
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some towns require everyone going outside to wear one.
one massachusetts city requires anyone from 5 up to wear a mask.
some cities require masks and have shut down parks and sports playing while others in a nearby town have no such restrictions.
I had a scarf I was wearing but thought of a better idea.
I made two from my wife's Victoria's Secret panties. Pretty easy actually. Took about 20 minutes each with a scissors, needle and thread. Wife got a little pissed because one pair were not the cheaper ones she gets on the sales (5 x $20 or something) but she has plenty. She just said she didn't want to be walking around with me outside with her since they have the Victoria's Secret name in the waistband.
The lace on one pair tickles a little around the ears but it is ok. I have to post a pic.
Rub a Dub
people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).
even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.
in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.
I disagree with "by many".
sir82 ...
Maybe the media makes the number of protesters appear greater than what they are.
Buy it starts at the top. Trump has fomented much of this by his tweets, and I quote; 'Liberate Minnesota", "Liberate Michigan", "Liberate Virginia."
Yes, I do agree that there were, as you say, "Video of goobers walking around with misspelled cardboard signs, chanting nonsense ..."
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just read article today blood plasma from recovered corona patients to be transfused into the seriously ill to see if antibodies in the blood can help.. i guess if your a witness you can just pray and write your will..
vaccinations, suddenly they were O.K,
Phizzy ...
And when cornea transplants became popular with older ones, the Noo Light switch suddenly made organ transplants ok, even though six months earlier in the WT it was a DF offense for cannibalism.
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people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).
even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.
in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.
sir82, giordano ...
I see that I didn't present my argument coherently.
I totally agree that you can infect others. I was just trying to explain that engaging in what we feel is dangerous behavior now could/should have repercussions. People are protesting to open things up and "get back to normal." I get it. But if it involves putting others in danger, then I am definitely against it.
But politicians are getting squeezed by many to open things back up. I was just presenting a point of view that if people insist on engaging in dangerous behavior, at least make them aware that they may not receive medical treatment for it since it is putting a lot of other people at risk.
With families, just like second hand smoke, it is hard to force behavior inside ones own home in our society.
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