I think that ultimately it doesn't matter whether or not this investigation makes waves inside NZ congregations. I had my doubts that it would, judging by the lack luster response by Australian Brothers and Sister over theirs. No, what does matter though ... or what is good about it, is the dollar cost the Organization has lost in fighting it. That money is not coming back and it will mean more Kingdom Hall closures or more begging for funds. And those are things that the Brotherhood does see and react too.
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Setting the record straight. CSA report in New Zealand
by joe134cd inok i just want to officially set the record straight about the report of csa in new zealand.
i have a pimo relative who lives in nz.
as far as public awareness, with regard to the jws, it was basically a big nothing burger.
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Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?
by was a new boy in'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.
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hi Earnest
yes you are right, it was Jeffrey Winder. I got the names mixed up ... sorry.
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Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?
by was a new boy in'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.
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hi careful
this link will be enough for you to get the message.
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Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?
by was a new boy in'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.
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The problem with offering a public apology, is the admission of guilt that goes with it.
But after the comment by GB member Fleegle, in saying the Governing Body is not required to apologize for its mistakes, I hardly see them wanting to do so now. Plus if a person or organization admits doing harm, then its opening itself up to litigation, which is a whole level of pain they don't want.
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Members of congregation know it’s not true
by Mikejw inwe have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.
i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.
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I think an easier way to see this attitude is to survey the number of hardcore believers vs the number of those who are just cruising. And while they might not even admit it to themselves, I'm fairly sure that those in congregation who aren't in an appointed position (ie an Elder, MS or Pioneer), they are just trying to live their own lives with minimal interference from the GB. You can see it more clearly in the young married couples who are generally upwardly mobile, travel internationally regularly and enjoy having expensive toys or fine dinning.
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Is There Some Sort of Campaign Going on?
by NotFormer ina pair of young blokes came to my door @ 10am (ish) today (wednesday, if that matters).
i opened the door a crack to : hi!
just asking a question: do you think that the world is getting better or worse?*".
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Probably the CO is visiting that congregation, and those guys just want to make a good impression. There is always a push when the CO turns up.
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What is your experience with conversations outside jw.org
by Gorb ini write many times how good it is to be pomo for me, my wife and children.
feeling better then ever.
jw family accept this status.
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I think that depends upon your circle of friends, as to what topics they like to talk about or how intensely it goes. In the Organization there are few with whom anyone of us could have a deep conversation ... but if you are now surrounded by uni educated people, I'm sure that you could. And in some occupations or professions, some prefer it when others get to the point.
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Key Criticisms of the Organization
by Vanderhoven7 injust picked this summary up.
"some of the key criticisms that have been raised about the jehovah's witness organization include:.
strict control and authoritarianism: the organization is highly centralized, with major decisions being made by the governing body.
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Every single one of those criticisms would not exist ... if the Governing Body simply allowed people to have and to use, their own God given Christian consciences.
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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Even when I served as an Elder, I've all ways had a question regarding the Disfellowshipping arrangement that no one could really answer in a satisfying way. And with these new changes, it becomes more of an issue.
And that is ... If a person is Disfellowshiped for a sin, but latter the rules in the KS book governing that sin are modified by the Governing Body so that its no longer a Disfellowshipping offense, what is the standing of the people previously 'removed from the congregation'?
Now the weasel way out would be just to say ... "well they could just re-apply to their committee for a review of their case". But in reality, their Disfellowshipping should just be annulled, because of the obvious reason.
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Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user
by ukpimo infrom reddit.. a summary of changes: .
we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.
if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!
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Personally, I find that new arrangement (if true) would have a number of practical problems.
Either, other disfellowshipping matters, like fornication and drug use are now NOT disfellowshipping offenses, or the each congregational member will have to be privately informed about a Brother or Sister's new status, should they be found guilty of being unrepentant.
Because if no one knew that you were disfellowshipped, you could just pretend everything was ok and associate normally.