I suppose it has nothing to at all with oil??? Idi Amin was evil, Pol Pot was evil, Joseph Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century, and the US did NOTHING.
reubenfine
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What if the U.N doesn't find anything in Iraq?
by kril init hit me a few days ago.
what happens if the u.n. searchs iraq and they find nothing?
i mean it's kind of scary to think what will happen to bush's job approval rating if that happens.
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Lurkers
by Yizuman inseems that the page view out number the posters who actually reply to the thread.. my guess is that there's alot of active jws who are still active within' the so called "truth" are visiting this forum and reading all the threads.
i don't blame them for not wanting to reply for fear of being found out.. how many of you were still active when you found a forum like this one and lurked around for a long time?
how many of you left the organization as a result of reading this forum or other forums like it?.
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reubenfine
Jonadab,
I guess I am trying to understand so that I can help those who have been hurt or are drifting away.
I'll give you mine. I was reported to 3 circuit overseers, counseled by elders wrongly, had scriptures misapplied to me (even by WT standards), had an unethical investigation into my past in person by an elder who travelled 2500 miles, then was invited to include a letter to the society stating my position. (The elders wrote to Brooklyn to find out how do deal with me; how about with love?)
I offered anyone $1000 to prove me wrong either legally or scripturally. I typed a 4-page letter quoting the US Supreme Court, US Constitution, statutes, and the Bible. It was all shot down with one sentence, "We are familiar with your position and consider it unreasonable," although I had to lie to go along with theirs. I was subsequently a black sheep although never df'd. My good name was slandered to the whole body of elders. EVERY ONE of the whole body of elders accepted Brooklyn's reasoning although not one law or scripture was quoted proving me wrong.
I wrote back and applied Jesus' counsel, demanding an apology. Of course, I didn't expect one from such arrogant assholes, but I did my part. The elders lated asked if I was "having a bad day."
Now I get on my knees and thank God that they treated me like a cancer because I wouldn't lie or violate my conscience. It wasn't just ONE OR TWO ELDERS, but the WORLD HEADQUARTERS that opened my eyes with their TOTAL LACK OF LOVE. Now I actually get to use my brain, what there is left of it, and think for myself. The sad part is I wasted 40 precious years preaching for a lying, corrupt, evil "organization." Thank God, thank God, THANK GOD I have nothing more to do with that POOR excuse for Christianity.
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WT June 1/1974. End of the 1000 years.
by refiners fire inhere is a good one brothers, a veritable masterpiece of twisted reasoning and convoluted thinking.
its from the wt of june 1, 1974 in an article "a question settled never to be raised again".
the article chiefly concerns the "test" at the end of the one thousand years.
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reubenfine
the demons asked Jesus: "Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?"
I think we could ask THAT of the WTB&TC!!
Sheesh, and I used to think this was deep stuff. Yeah, deep something, that's for sure.
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Baptism Questions Old/New Differences
by reubenfine in.
can anyone point me to how the baptismal questions have changed over the years?
i know they've changed from experience but i would be interested to know exactly what questions i answered in 1966. i've looked around but haven't ran across them yet.. thanks.........
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reubenfine
Thanks for all the help. Very interesting threads, Farkel. I had also overlooked the search function at the top. Thanks, Amazing. That helps enormously!
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Baptism Questions Old/New Differences
by reubenfine in.
can anyone point me to how the baptismal questions have changed over the years?
i know they've changed from experience but i would be interested to know exactly what questions i answered in 1966. i've looked around but haven't ran across them yet.. thanks.........
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reubenfine
Can anyone point me to how the baptismal questions have changed over the years? I know they've changed from experience but I would be interested to know exactly what questions I answered in 1966. I've looked around but haven't ran across them yet.
Thanks.........
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Educate me on JW dating!
by Delicious_Daniel ini really like this girl who ive been told is a jw.
im not sure about jw's and their beleifs of dating so i have a few questions.. 1) are jw's allowed to date outside their religion?.
2) what are jw's beleifs on pre-marital sex?.
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reubenfine
I don't think this is a serious thread.............
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How to help a JW using 607, 1914 stuff.
by apocalypse inthe following information was prepared for the benefit of those who are endeavoring to assist a close friend or relative who is a jehovahs witness.
it is intended to aid a person who wishes to, in a non-confrontational manner, approach the vital foundational issue with respect to the primary doctrine of jehovahs witnesses.
it can be done without the recipient of the information even becoming aware of your intentions.
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reubenfine
scholar, how about some proof if it is so easy. All I ever see is your credentials, which is circumspect to me until you give one shred of proof. I've thought it out and I've yet to see one iota of proof in any of your posts.
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The coming "disassociations"
by Elsewhere ini have seen several threads about how the elders are going to be going around asking people if they still consider themselves to be jehovah's witnesses.
this will undoubtedly result in multiple da announcements in the coming months.
i'm curious how the average jw will perceive this and respond to it.
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reubenfine
Nice. Answering a question with a question always leads the conversation.
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Would some of us be better off as Witnesses?
by Jerry Bergman ini have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
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reubenfine
I read 100 pages of Mein Kampf by Hitler and some of what he said was true, also. I read the entire Unabomber's Manifesto and much of what he said was true. Following those people would have obviously been immoral, though. Of course, if everyone followed me they would be much better off.
Regardless of where a person goes afterwards, belonging to a mind-controlling cult is a terrible waste of a life, IMHO. At least by making my own mistakes from my own decisions, I will hopefully learn. I never learned anything by following men, especially ones that were less than my equal intellectually. I take that back..........what I learned was not to follow men.
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"Cheers" question
by reubenfine indoes anybody remember the logic behind why it was wrong to make toasts with drink and say "cheers"?
what was up with that, anyway??
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reubenfine
Wow, Matty. You actually watch a show that has a name with pagan tradition origins, where they actually drink and toast, too? I'm reporting you for your own good!!