There are many, but one that I could not understand was the WTBS telling us not to go to college or University while they were paying for som JW's to goto a University law school to defend their policies?
Try figure that one out!!!!!
pharisee
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What Double Standards Do JW's Practice?
by minimus inone double standard that always got to me was how a body of elders would talk about how a brother needed to "qualify" for some privilege by being a good example for weekend service and yet a number of elders would hardly ever go out in field service at all!
or how they would use 2 hours to literally gossip about everyone in the congregation, and then give a local needs talk on the need of not talking about the brothers and minding our own business.........what double standards got to you?
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What Was The 1st Thing That Made You Question?
by minimus inas a youngster raised in the "truth", i had my questions.
but anytime you ask a question that is unanswerable, you are told to just wait on jehovah.
as time passes, i believe that we store up a number of unanswerable questions that forces one to eventually think about everything.
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The 1914 date. I would ask elders and CO's about the date and never got straight answers. I once made a "respected" elder admit that if armagedon did not occur before the year 2000, that the prophecy would be incorrect. Obviously it was.
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CULT CULT CULT
by minimus ini have read many opinions about jw's being a cult.a dictionary describes cult as a system of religious beliefs and ritual .. some have viewed even major religions as a cult, such as the roman catholic church.based upon webster almost anybody or anything that is viewed as ritualistic could be said to be cultic.when someone tries to negate jehovah's witnesses by using.
the "cult" word, i believe they are not seeing that many others could legitimately be regarded as a cult or at least "cultic".therefore the word loses alot of meaning.
some have said that the watchtower is a cult because of the control factor.
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pharisee
I had an argument with my father on this very topic. He is innactive and disapproves of many aspects of the JW's thinking and doctirnes. He thinks he's out, but mentally he is not.
I tried to explain to him that the JW's are not just another religion, like he thinks, but a cult. He then replies: " all religions are cults".
I then explained to him that he is partly correct. Almost all religions that I know have some "cult like tendancies". But some like the JW's have gone beyond some "cult like tendancies" and have allowed the religious aspect of their teachings to be ungulfed in cult attributes.
There are also different levels of cults of mind control groups. From low level, like Catholics, Protestants, etc. to medium and high level like the Branch Davidians.
I used the Catholics as an example with him to compare to JW's, because he grew up a Catholic and can't stand them.
I asked him: "When you became a JW, did your Catholic family shun or abandon you? NO.
"Did they listen to all of your preaching and not judge you?" YES.
Thats the difference between a cult and a religion.
There are many other examples.
He did'nt have much to say after that.
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Newbie alert!
by pharisee ini'm new here, and would just like to thank simon and people like him (franz for one) who have helped others, through various forms of media, to make thier own educated descisions on how to deal with all the jw issues in their lives.
when i was growing up in a jw family, we never had the opportunity to get "second opinions" on any doubts we had from any source.. luckly, with resources such as this website, and others like it, i have been able to make one of the most important discisions in my life, and that is how to bring up my kids spiritually and mentally?
i had to be 100% sure, in my mind, that i was doing the right thing.. i hope others who we all know that are searching for thier "answers" will be as fortunate as many of us here.
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pharisee
Hi Sisteract,
You are so correct!
I was talking about the same subject on another thread.
Its called: Would you throw a pebble at a boulder? Talking about how to break through to a "mind trapped" JW.
I said:
I think the best pebble's you can throw is by succeding in your personal and/or family life without the borg. They expect you to completly fall apart without their guidance, and when you show that you are stable without them it starts to put doubts in their minds.
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CoC on Hold for Me
by out4good3 ingot a copy of crisis of conscious 2nd ed.
on hold for me at a library.
will most likely be picking it up tommorrow after i get off from work.
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The 2/3 vote thing really got me angry. Here I was told that all these descisions were inspired from God, and in reality it was just a bunch of "upper level mangers" having a board meeting and voting on peoples lives! It just made me sick.
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Newbie alert!
by pharisee ini'm new here, and would just like to thank simon and people like him (franz for one) who have helped others, through various forms of media, to make thier own educated descisions on how to deal with all the jw issues in their lives.
when i was growing up in a jw family, we never had the opportunity to get "second opinions" on any doubts we had from any source.. luckly, with resources such as this website, and others like it, i have been able to make one of the most important discisions in my life, and that is how to bring up my kids spiritually and mentally?
i had to be 100% sure, in my mind, that i was doing the right thing.. i hope others who we all know that are searching for thier "answers" will be as fortunate as many of us here.
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pharisee
Tex,
I was raised a JW as you can see from my previous post. At some point I may post my story, but I am happy to talk about certain parts for now.
I am very sorry to here about you and your father, and the sad thing is its so common and typical as a JW story.
We were very lucky to be one of the few families in our hall not affected by child abuse. I think people were scared my father would "castrate" them if they got caught fooling with any of us kids, so we were left alone.
Im glad you have "moved on" from this abuse.
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Newbie alert!
by pharisee ini'm new here, and would just like to thank simon and people like him (franz for one) who have helped others, through various forms of media, to make thier own educated descisions on how to deal with all the jw issues in their lives.
when i was growing up in a jw family, we never had the opportunity to get "second opinions" on any doubts we had from any source.. luckly, with resources such as this website, and others like it, i have been able to make one of the most important discisions in my life, and that is how to bring up my kids spiritually and mentally?
i had to be 100% sure, in my mind, that i was doing the right thing.. i hope others who we all know that are searching for thier "answers" will be as fortunate as many of us here.
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pharisee
Hi DJ,
Good for you and you kids.
You have found the "real" truth, great, I hope your right, and it works for you.
I am still searching, and do not expect to find it soon. I think the "real" truth is a very difficult thing to positively identify. "Give me a sign, God dam* it". (sorry for the curse, but it is frustrating).
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Newbie alert!
by pharisee ini'm new here, and would just like to thank simon and people like him (franz for one) who have helped others, through various forms of media, to make thier own educated descisions on how to deal with all the jw issues in their lives.
when i was growing up in a jw family, we never had the opportunity to get "second opinions" on any doubts we had from any source.. luckly, with resources such as this website, and others like it, i have been able to make one of the most important discisions in my life, and that is how to bring up my kids spiritually and mentally?
i had to be 100% sure, in my mind, that i was doing the right thing.. i hope others who we all know that are searching for thier "answers" will be as fortunate as many of us here.
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Gumby,
You want to know what I've found? Where do you start?
For one I found that I thought I was growing up in religion that was going to solve all of my future problems, and give me direction on how to live my life, and purpose to my life. Then I found out that I actually grew up in a cult, and that almost everything I had been told was a lie. I found that I it was a high level mind control group, and that I would have to de-program myself so that I did not feel guilty every time I did or felt something that was against what I was told was a "sin".
Just for starters.
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Newbie alert!
by pharisee ini'm new here, and would just like to thank simon and people like him (franz for one) who have helped others, through various forms of media, to make thier own educated descisions on how to deal with all the jw issues in their lives.
when i was growing up in a jw family, we never had the opportunity to get "second opinions" on any doubts we had from any source.. luckly, with resources such as this website, and others like it, i have been able to make one of the most important discisions in my life, and that is how to bring up my kids spiritually and mentally?
i had to be 100% sure, in my mind, that i was doing the right thing.. i hope others who we all know that are searching for thier "answers" will be as fortunate as many of us here.
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pharisee
Hi Tex,
Whats your story on what brought you here?
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Hard to celebrate holidays after leaving the Org.?
by santacruzchick infor those of you who grew up in 'the troof', after leaving, did you find it hard or uncomfortable in any way to celebrate holidays and bithdays since you had no ties to them whatsover?
if so, how did you deal with it?
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pharisee
Tex,
Sorry to hear about missing out on college. My family always held education in very high regard, no matter what the borg said, therefore I and all my siblings went to college, and have greatly benefited from it. The good thing is that we can learn from pass mistakes and make sure our kids dont have to suffer as we did!