Posts by gorgia2

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Are some JWs justified in staying in the org?

by greendawn in

most of us left the organisation because we could no longer stand one or other aspect of it, perhaps its very dictatorial administration, the disappointment due to the false promises and vain hopes raised by its leadership, disagreement with the blood ban or pedophile and shunning policies, the feel one gets that this is a business and not a religious organisation manipulating its members to its own profit etc etc.

these are of course valid reasons for rejecting this religion and refusing to identify with it but do the jws who stay in have a valid argument for rejecting leaving the org?

they will say: "ok our religion, our society has its flaws but what human society doesn't?

gorgia2

EdenOne,

Thanks for keeping us all up to date too.

gorgia

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Hello everyone! I could use some advice

by SnailsPace2 in

most of the time i just lurk .

lots of times throughout the day.

however, something has come up that i would like some advice on, especially from members who were exiting the jw religion with young children.. .

gorgia2

Cofty's advice is fantastic. I'm certain most of us here on JWN who were born-in's and had to grow up in the JW cult would have loved to have had the opportunity your son may soon have, to be free of the lies and hypocrisy at a young age. I'm so sorry for the confusion he will feel, but later, when he is old enough, he will thank you. Considering how revoltingly early they baptise JW children nowadays, the sooner the better, IMO.

gorgia

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How can I stay motivated for field ministry?

by jgnat in

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thus asks my beloved and slow-on-the-uptake jw hubby, who is finding it increasingly difficult to drag himself out the door.

so far, i've tried to avoid sarcastic comebacks (i'ts boring and useless!

duh!

gorgia2

jgnat, he's lucky to have you. My mother finally spoke up about her doubts only after she'd faded for a few years. Before that, there was no way she would talk about any of it. Its been a few years now that she and I have been able to talk about the TTAT. I never would have thought it was possible, so don't give up.

gorgia

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First post

by thedog1 in

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this is a very strange thing for me to do.

i have been an active witness for over 25 years.

i currently serve as an elder and i conduct the watchtower study.

gorgia2

Welcome theDog1,

How wonderful you chose to listen to your doubts. I wish you the best in your journey towards greater clarity. You will find much encouragement and understanding here.

gorgia

30

I give up

by KariOtt in

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hubby is now giving 5 days a week to the cult.

they see more of him while he is awake than i do.

when he is home he is either sleeping or in his office on his computer.

gorgia2

Kariott,

You are more important than your vows. I'm glad you can come here and vent.

A class about basic computer skills and the internet would be a good idea, too, just to give you a little more confidence around the PC.

I was married to an abusive man. I grew up in a JW family believing I would never be able to leave/divorce who I married. It took lots of courage to leave, dealing with feelings of having failed - but I did leave. If you are being mistreated, please consider leaving your husband one day permanently. I repeat - you are more important than your vows.

gorgia

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WT article on ''never have we said Jehovah has said"

by Aussie Oz in

been going nuts looking for this.. i am sure i have read, and probably saved, a quote by them about not being false prophets but i am buggered if i can find it anywhere in search, google or my own pc.. can you help?.

i think its 2009 but not sure, where they have the line 'never have we said ''jehovah has said'' when ...'.

a link or pdf or scan or cut n paste, etc would be great!.

gorgia2

This is all priceless. I'm visiting my recently-enlightened mother soon - I'm taking this thread with me! Thanks everyone.

gorgia

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Home schooled witness kids

by stillin in

sorry if i'm stepping on any toes here, but i haven't seen anything positive about home-schooling...at all.

the notion is that parents are taking advantage of the formative years to inculcate more worthwhile values while protecting their kids from worldly influences.

they end up with lazy, socially inept, illiterate duds who haven't a clue.

gorgia2

What a beautiful post, Band on the Run. I can relate very much to the escape public high school provided - the exposure to fellow-students I felt relaxed enough to speak my mind with, as opposed to the group of JW kids that also attended the same school and kept strictly to themselves.

My parents didn't care at all what grades I got in school either, stillin; I'd often go on shopping trips with my mother or spend the school day visiting my grandparents. In the end, as I've written about before on JWN, I didn't even bother keeping a file - I just shoved papers into my school-bag and threw them in the bin once I got home. Sounds like I wasn't very interested in education, but I was extremely interested in education. I longed to have parents who cared and demanded I do homework, who had future career hopes for me.

I remember a girl in my KH who upon turning the age to start high school here in Oz - 13 - her parents withdrew her from public school to be home-schooled. I believe with JW parents it can be out of genuine terror about the good ol' 2nd Corinthians 15:33, but this decision is mostly about control. The home-schooled girl had been a bubbly character, but after a few months of home-schooling, she changed. Followed her mother around the KH after the meetings, became shy.

gorgia

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The TRUTH about Jehovah's Wittnesses (from MY 22 YRS. EXPERIENCE) - A MUST READ!

by gmason972 in

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i have learned to stay away from all religion and jehovahs wittness doctrine (that includes the watchtower and awake magazines).

stay away from positions of ministerial servant, pioneer, aux pioneer, elder, and the like.

once you become a full fledged jehovah wittness you are doomed to be unhappy.

gorgia2

A very warm welcome to you.

gorgia

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We Played Along With Our Own Oppression

by cofty in

in communist east germany (gdr) writers were provided with a 'helper' - often a stasi agent - who would 'assist' the work through to publication.. poet and novelist gunter kunert described how this led to a sort of self-censorship.

it reminded me very much of the way jws can be trained to accept outrageous restrictions while imagining they are making free choices.. -----------------------------------------------------------------.

"as authors we were always trying to be ahead of the censor, to second-guess his instinct as to what was 'in' and what was 'off'.

gorgia2

Thanks for posting this Cofty.

gorgia

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Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

gorgia2

Island Man,

I can relate to your post. My grandmother used to talk to me about Noah & all the other MBOBS nonsense with such solemnity. She really believed all the stories were historical fact. And I also remember adult JDubs telling me that jehovah only did all those amazing things with people and animals 'in the bible times' & not to hope for any exciting miraculous stuff to happen now. I was very disappointed as a child.

gorgia