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  College

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i know i have threatened to do this before, like when i first left.

  but i am thinking of going to college.

  this time, i feel determined.

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  Goshawk

  Hey ATJ,

  Most campuses have a older than average student group that will be able to provide you with some good resources.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  De dateringen van het Babylonische en Perzische rijk, zoals die hiernaast weergegeven zijn, worden de laatste halve eeuw algemeen geaccepteerd. Volgens die opvatting begon Nebukadnessar in 605 v.Chr. te regeren en vond de verwoesting van Jeruzalem plaats in diens 18e jaar, in 587/6 v.Chr., en de verovering van Babel door Cyrus was in 538 v.Chr. Onlangs is deze chronologie echter bestreden door R.J. Furuli uit Oslo. Zijn alternatief heeft de naam Oslo-chronologie gekregen. Hij betwijfelt de betrouwbaarheid van allerlei astronomische tabletten (die de basis vormen van de huidige chronologie) en gaat liever uit van allerlei handelstabletten. Daarbij meent Furuli ook dat de duur van de Babylonische ballingschap voor Israel zeventig jaar was, terwijl de gebruikelijke chronologie op ongeveer vijftig jaar uitkomt. Het resultaat van zijn onderzoek is dat Nebukadnessar eerder regeerde en de verwoesting van Jeruzalem plaats vond in 607 v.Chr., twintig jaar vroeger dan algemeen aangenomen wordt (587/6 v.Chr.).

  Deze nieuwe benadering wordt over het algemeen genegeerd in de wetenschappelijke discussies, maar C.O. Jonsson is er grondig op ingegaan. In zijn boek The Gentile Times Reconsidered noemt hij materiaal dat Furuli over het hoofd heeft gezien. Op internet levert hij verder uitvoerige kritiek op de chronologie die nu wel de Oslo-chronologie genoemd wordt, maar al veel bekend was als de chronologie van het Wachttorengenootschap van de Jehovah's getuigen. Daar hecht men veel waarde aan het vroege jaartal van de verwoesting van Jeruzalem. De kritiek van Jonsson is grondig en toont aan dat Furuli allerlei materiaal dat niet past in zijn schema verwerpt. Zo suggereert hij dat een belangrijk chronologisch tablet in Berlijn (met andere informatie dan zijn eigen reconstructie; VAT 4956) in de vorige eeuw door iemand gebroken en bewerkt is, waardoor het nu onjuiste gegevens bevat. Een dergelijke speculatie vindt bij deskundigen geen enkele bijval. Ook tal van voorstellen van verplaatsing van astronomische waarnemingen naar een andere datum blijken bij controle in computersimulaties onjuist te zijn. Om dergelijke redenen acht Jonsson de herziene chronologie verkeerd. De gebruikelijke chronologie wordt volgens hem door steeds meer vondsten bevestigd.

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  The dates of the Babylonian and Persian Empire, as shown opposite, are the generally accepted last half century. According to this view began Nebuchadnezzar in 605 BC. and to govern the destruction of Jerusalem took place in their 18th year, in 587 / 6 BC., and the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus was in 538 BC. Recently, this chronology, however contested by RJ Furuli from Oslo. His alternative name, the Oslo-received chronology. He questions the reliability of various astronomical tablets (which form the basis of the current chronology) and will prefer to trade all kinds of tablets. It Furuli also believes that the duration of the Babylonian captivity for seventy years was Israel, while the usual chronology, about fifty years suits. The result of his research has previously ruled that Nebuchadnezzar and the destruction of Jerusalem took place in 607 BC., Twenty years earlier than generally assumed (587 / 6 BC.). This new approach is generally ignored in the scientific discussions, but CO Jonsson has been thoroughly discussed. In his book The Gentile Times Reconsidered he calls the material Furuli overlooked. On the Internet it also provides detailed criticism of the chronology that now called the Oslo chronology, but much was known as the chronology of the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses. As a strong commitment to the early date of the destruction of Jerusalem. The criticism of Jonsson is thorough and shows that Furuli all material that does not fit into his schedule rejects. So he suggests that an important chronological tablet in Berlin (with other information than its own reconstruction, VAT 4956) in the last century by someone broken and processed, so it contains inaccurate information. Such speculation is supported by any expert. Too many proposals of transfer of astronomical observations to date appear to control another computer simulations to be incorrect. For such reasons, Jonsson revised chronology wrong. The usual chronology he finds confirmed by more and more.

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  Dumbest Awake Title Ever?

  by metatron in

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  i hold in my hand the nov. awake magazine entitled "technology - blessing or curse?"..

  now, i understand the need for balance and moderation in using technology, as the magazine says - but could they come up with a more intelligent sounding title?

  it makes the question sound as if abandoning technology might be a solution, a considered choice, a real possibility.

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  Millions now living will never die Knock Again.
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  Why is Ray Franz the only GB member to have ever resigned?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  it's always seemed a bit odd to me that ray franz is the only gb member to have ever resigned, particularly for such a controversial religion.. we know from ray franz's books that there is often debate amongst the gb about new ideas sometimes introduced and often they are quite divided in their opinions.. i am not sure when the "governing body" officially began (wikipedia's explanation is messy) but it was quite a few decades ago.

  there have been dozens of members of the gb since it's creation (does anyone know the exact total number?).

  one would think that there would have been a few more disgruntled gb members over the years who would have resigned if the gb voted against some proposal they felt very strongly about.

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  Goshawk

  He left before senility set in on the rest?
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  Mitochondrial Eve for dummies

  by bohm in

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  hey!.

  introduction.

  here is a quote some of you may recognize:.

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  Goshawk

  If memory serves that 50--70 thousand years ago would be in line with a huge volcanic eruption of Toba of Indonesia.
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  I'm trying to give away WT books

  by moshe in

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  i posted an add under the "free" section of a popular internet adv.

  "free 1984 watchtower magazine" was the header-.

  the adv showed a picture of the front cover of the may 15th wt-.

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  And thank you for the link.
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  Article by LDS Writer

  by purplesofa in

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  article by lds writer (mormon) .

  the world's best non-lds missionary programs .

  best missionary literature printing and distribution program: jehovah's witnesses .

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  Goshawk

  And the award to breaking up the most families goes to ... ** opens envelope** and now a word from our sponsors.

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  Due to copyright infringement the rest of the broadcast has been cancelled.
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  My 4-yr JWD Anniversary!!!!!

  by daniel-p in

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  that's right, today marks 4 years.

  but seriously though, 4 years is a good long while!.

  i can remember the day i first posted on this site... i was at the cusp of a thoroughly shattered faith, and i was in complete despair.

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  Goshawk

  Kudos on working for a masters degree.
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  Hello

  by LoriJis in

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  i'm new but it's nice to be among people who feel the same i do.

  i am a beginning fader.

  i was raised in the "truth" and am/was very popular elder's daughter and social life of the congregations.

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  Goshawk

  Jadeen, son, is that you?
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  Living in the western "rich" world we are spoiled and don't understand harships! Agree?

  by Witness 007 in

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  just saw a documentary on bolivia how a woman gets up while it's dark, puts a barrel on her head and walks 10 miles to get water for the day from a filthy well we would not swim in!....thats what 1 billion or more people have to do everyday!

  they also scavenge for a hand full of rice or dirty flour...meanwhile, i buy 4 litre "springwater" and run down to the supermarket to pick what fruit, vegetables, meat, i want to eat today.. our kids want nike shoes and ps 3 while there kids need food and medicine.....and clean water!

  i jump in a nice car and complain about petrol prices, while they walk many miles a day to work and home......i think we are lucky but don't know it, just born on the good side of the world.. agree?.

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  Goshawk

  I never said there wasn't poverty in America. But I am saying it is relative. If you want to see the difference, go to Calcutta .

  You don't have to go that far, try Mexico.