Posts by ESTEE

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13 young people found hanged in 'suicide cult town'

by What-A-Coincidence in

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http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?id=5396.

source: this is london the true scale of a suicide epidemic among young people in a small town was revealed yesterday.as well as the seven deaths linked to social networking websites, a coroner revealed that a further six had also died within a year.

the astonishing rate of hangings in bridgend, south wales, has terrified parents in the area and one secondary school has been placed on 'suicide watch' after pupils appealed for help.. scroll down for more.... another tragic statistic: jason williams with his sister louise.

ESTEE

So what's the common thread that ties each of these people together? What cult is it?

ESTEE

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How I survived being starved, beaten and tortured by my Jehovah's Witness..

by Dogpatch in

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how i survived being starved, beaten and tortured by my jehovah's witness foster motherhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=510457&in_page_id=1879.

by alloma gilbert - more by this author last updated at 19:01pm on 25th january 2008. comments.

panic is bubbling up through my body.

ESTEE

So sorry

Thanks for sharing

*hugs*

ESTEE

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The Story of Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

by flipper in

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it was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story.

i'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard.

mrs. flipper was raised catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind.

ESTEE

Thanks for sharing your story, Mr Flipper. Mrs Flipper sounds very sweet.

*hugs*

ESTEE

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Dating a JW and how to get her off the cult or becoming a member myself

by svennibenni in

i'm sorry if i'm totally wrong here but i have a serious problem.. i met a woman in the company i work in via intranet.

it is a very big company with offices all over the world.

she moved to the united kingdom just a few month before we met.

ESTEE

Becoming a JW seems to me the only "reasonible" way.

There is no “reasonable” with the jws. Are you aware they have “practice sessions” at their meetings where they rehearse how to overcome people’s objections. They are smooth talkers. Their first love is the book publishing society, which they call “the bible.”

She told me that it's over OK, but now she is more passionate than ever in our calls. Still she tells me that she has her principles and doubts BUT she calls me every now and then - at least 5 times a day on my mobile. She doesnt care of how much money it costs - even if I have to work she rather stays on the phone just to listen to me and telling me that she doesnt want to miss me every single minute.

Your lady friend sounds like she has a co-dependent, addictive personality. Sorry, but no normal person phones someone five times a day. She is doing emotional flip-flops. She does not sound “reasonable” to me. She sounds brainwashed and confused. She can not know herself because she only sees herself as the religion sees her. She speaks their language because she is “brainwashed” --- do you know how to heal her brainwashed state? If you were to suggest she go for counseling sessions with a psychiatrist trained in combating cult behavior, would she be willing to go? Is she willing to change? You cannot change her---please don’t think its okay to try. You are too emotionally involved to think reasonably or rationally. Think how hard it is to change one thing about your Self --- how to you expect to change someone else who sees no reason to change? Her only wish is to change you.

Jws don’t celebrate birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or any other holiday. Will you be happy to never put up a tree again? Never buy or receive a Christmas present? Never enjoy a piece of birthday cake at work?

Are you prepared to go door-to-door and perpetuate and spread their beliefs? How true would you be to yourself if you became a jw? Is that really loving your Self? Is the jw belief system in your core?

Vitty wrote:
I think she is also in a terrible dilemma, her natural self wants you, wants to be with you and wants to have a normal relationship with you. Her cult self is terrified of doing what is wrong and dying at armageddon, losing face, losing her family.

True words, her natural self wants you, but her cult self will sabotage her natural self. Her terror will get her into trouble.

I was born and raised as a jw. I married outside the jw religion and spent the entire marriage wishing and praying my husband (at the time) was in. I divorced from a very unhappy marriage in 1997. I finally left the religion in 1999 --- being disfellowshipped because I started ballroom dancing, took a dance partner, and had an affair. I have two children who will not speak with me now, because I left. I have never seen my grand child --- the one I know exists. There may be more, but I do not know of them. They have absolutely no association with me. The elders have told my children that I am no longer the same mother who bore them and raised them, because I have been taken over by the devil. I am now “demonized” --- a stranger. They treat me as dead. This will happen to your lady friend if she tells anyone she has gotten involved with a “worldly” man. She may tell the elders, just out of guilt. All it takes is one “fishing” talk where elders go asking members involved in “secret sin” to come forward and confess.

I am not with the partner any more, but my kids don’t know that. They only look at my “sin”, with no thought of forgiveness, unless I went back to the elders and worked my way back into the “fold.” But I know too much now. I spent 10 years with a therapist who knows about cult thinking. Somewhere during my therapy I decided the only way for me to leave the religion --- and survive --- was to purge every shred of the old belief system from my Self --- and replace it with something healthy. I would have killed myself if it were not for my therapy.

Do you think you could live with a woman who is totally brainwashed? Do you think you could live with someone who thinks you are of the Devil if you did not convert?

I’m curious about what happens to the people who post here, wondering if they could make a go of a relationship with a jw. We get lots of threads like this, but often we don’t hear from the writers again. Perhaps it is a soul thing they must do. No one here would stand in your way, if you decided you must be with this woman. Be warned, you will not have a happy life --- guaranteed! Once your initial “romance” phase is over --- you will be miserable --- and trapped.

Keep us posted, okay?

ESTEE

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May have just opened can of worms - posted on a spirit world forum

by feenx in

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as i'm sure many of us ex dubs do i have had tremendous fear, anxiety, curiosity and overall need for answers about spirits.

we all learned the same shite.

any spirits are demons.

ESTEE

Certainly feel free to call Sylvia Brown whatever you wish. However, my experience is that reading her books helped me to heal my unhealthy fears of demons, devils and death that was brainwashed into me from birth.

ESTEE

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May have just opened can of worms - posted on a spirit world forum

by feenx in

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as i'm sure many of us ex dubs do i have had tremendous fear, anxiety, curiosity and overall need for answers about spirits.

we all learned the same shite.

any spirits are demons.

ESTEE

If you want to work through your fears of "demons" just read some books by the famous psychic Sylvia Brown. I thoroughly am enjoying reading her books and it has helped me overcome the jw belief in demons and the jw belief of Satan, etc. This new knowledge has also helped me overcome the fear of death. In my opinion, the jws are a religion which feeds on our fears until they grow waaaaay out of proportion. The jw motives for instilling fear in us was to have more control over us. Which is worse? Imaginary demons? Or elders who desired to control and manipulate their flock?

Reading these refreshing new things has helped me replace the antiquated jw beliefs that I was born and raised with.

Keep us posted about the spirit world forum!

*hugs*

ESTEE

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WELCOME NEWBIES - all of you! Check in here, I'm losing track of you.

by AWAKE&WATCHING in

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i just saw the eighth post by botheyesopen.

i noticed aliciaj, dogaradodya, chicken little, cognac, hypnotic, mochalatte.. some have been welcomed and some have not.. .

we have so many i can't keep up so.... .

ESTEE

Just stopped by to add my Welcome to all the newbies! *waves gleefully*

Love you all!!!

ESTEE

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My moment, my epiphany, my rebirth

by Layla33 in

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i remember it like it was yesterday, i was 15 years old.

i had woken up in the middle of the night and dared to ask the question that had been brewing in me for a long time.. "what if there is no armageddon".. i can't remember what the catalyst was, maybe observing my own family and every disfunction known to mankind, although every preached that in "jehavoh's organization" there were no such things.

maybe it was some ground breaking announcement, some new revelation that totally contradicated what i was mind controlled to preach every saturday morning, but in one moment, i dared myself to question it.