Posts by GotJesus

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Let's play 'Devils Advocate'. . . . . . . . . .

by nicolaou in

for the purposes of this thread i am a dub.

a 2nd generation, dyed-in-the-wool, sincere and genuine jehovahs witness (just like i used to be).

well i just feel the need to hone my debating skills after having been in a 'faded' state for quite a while.

GotJesus

The silence from Nic speaks for itself!! In the name of the Father, Son & the Holy Spirit....Amen

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Let's play 'Devils Advocate'. . . . . . . . . .

by nicolaou in

for the purposes of this thread i am a dub.

a 2nd generation, dyed-in-the-wool, sincere and genuine jehovahs witness (just like i used to be).

well i just feel the need to hone my debating skills after having been in a 'faded' state for quite a while.

The watchtower constantly tries to deny Christs diety in full. Why? because Christ is central to most all other religions & for the Watchtower to be the one "true" religion they must do away with the sign of the cross & the cross itself. They have to seperate themselves from the rest of the pack to gain membership above all others. Christ died on a stake!!! Ive been told. Why does it matter? It matters to the Watchtower simply because the rest of Christiandom views the Cross as a central theme to thier salvation & I believe it is mine as well. Thats just me! :) See John 20:25, in the NWT no less..."Unless I see in his hands the print of the NAILS (plural) and stick my finger into the print of the NAILS (plural) and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe. Even Thomas had seen Jesus hanging on the cross & saw he was crucified arms spread one on either side of a CROSS, watching his hands & feet being pounded into the wood. FATHER????? WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME??? It was done for the believer & nonbeliever alike...

Love to all!!!

My lord & my God!!!

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777 vs. 666

by Leolaia in

i've heard 777 or 7777 used as a godly number in christian televangelist hotline numbers, 777music.com is a christian music online store, and the number is supposed to represent an ideally perfect number representing god and his creation.

but it strikes me as a pallid ripoff of 666, and nothing in the bible seems to produce a higher order number above 70 (7 x 10) with 7.

144,000 is of course based on 12 and 10. and contrary to it being such a godly number, it seems to have been the subject to a book on gematria and the kabbalah by satan incarnate himself, aleister crowley.

GotJesus

In revelation, everything is 7 this & 7 that, Im a musician & play guitar, the particular brand & model I play is a 7 something or a 777 something, always a seven in there :)

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Cross vs. Stake: Does it REALLY friggin' matter?

by Funchback in

when did the wts become so infatuated with the cross vs. stake theory?

did they come up with this theory in order to say, "see?

we teach the truth!

GotJesus

This subject is a tired one.....The watchtower makes the "stake" claim because the cross is central to just about all the rest of Christianity, they must dispell this somehow to make them appear to have the "right" religion. end of topic

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Does the Watchtower Doctrine exist?

by family_man in

i am trying to learn as much as i can for my wife's sake.

she has started to attend a kingdom hall.

it's a spanish one.

GotJesus

She may as well follow my teachings, Im a man who has my own take on everything. Am I right? Its not right & wrong but more.... Live & let Die.

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Did Jesus pray to himself ?

by hooberus in

while trinitarians believe that the father, son, and the holy spirit, are god, they also believe that they are distinct persons within the one god.

thus they are able to speak to one another.

so jesus (one person) speaking to the father (another person) in prayer is not a problem.

GotJesus

Whats happening here is you all are are speaking as if The Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit talk TO each other in a linear fashion. Dont think of it as in point A. to point B. to point C......think of it as AROUND & THROUGH & IN & OUT....UP & DOWN. Only Jesus Christ could & can make a mortal man/woman see the prize ie: salvation. Humans can only relate to the tangibles, sad but true. The first Christians had the SOLID truth. I dont have close family ties to the tangible Christ but through body numbing prayer & faith Ive found MY personal truth.

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JW Lifestyle Encourages Bad Health??

by Latte in

so would you say that you had enough sleep whilst you were an active dub?

i personally remember feeling tired all the time.

i had two young children and the treadmill just never seem to stop.

GotJesus

And not to mention poor job performance. I work with 4 JWs & we do three 12hr days a week. We start at 5 am & these people are basically just there in body only. I always hear about how late they got home from their meetings & watch them walk around like zombies. They dont do squat all day long but a couple of them find time to break out the yellow highlighter pens & mark up their little magazines for their next meeting or whatever, kinda funny.

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How do I find a congregation?

by Happythoughts in

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how do i find a congregation?

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GotJesus

Find a NONDENOMINATIONAL church with a preacher who only talks of the bible, & who will not embelish on the word.

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John 1:1 for nonbelievers.....

by logansrun in

i've often felt that the most objective person in a situation is the one who has no stake in the outcome.

this holds true to religious issues as well.

we all know freddie franz translated john 1:1 as "the word was [a] god" and the rest of the christian world flew through the roof.

GotJesus

We could also look at John 3:16 which talks of Gods only begotten son. It doesnt say created son or made up son. I mean to say that, like BEGETS like, common sense tell us this. Could I beget anything less than an imperfect human being? Say an earthworm? NO! of course not. God can only beget God.

my 2 cents, MJ

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Let Us Create A True Religion...

by Latin assassin from Manhattan in

the wts feels that they are the true religion because they place tons of literature based on their own interpretations and because they show true christian love for one another.

this forum is testimony to the validity of their cause so i won't bother to repeat the obvious.

but if a true religion were to exist, i belive it shoud be based on the following:

GotJesus

Its impossible to have a "true religion" in 2003. The primitave church had close ties to THE man Jesus. We dont dont have the same kind of connection as the early Christians did & until Jesus "returns" we will continue plodding along with a dilluted sense of what "true religion" really is. Until then, I think its a complete matter of what we as individuals choose to do in regards to our own spritual well being.

I was raised as a catholic & I was conditioned to think a certain way. It wasnt until I was in my late 20s, early 30s that I began to explore the Bible on my own & came to understand some things. I have to tell you, that was the most wonderful feeling, being free from a man made organization. As far as teaching others, its futile to attempt any kind of bible thumping, it just turns people off. The key is to lead by example, whether it be with your children or friends & other family. If someone wonders why youre so "at peace" or "quietly confidant" you can tell them why & if they want to know more you can say: Well....this is what I think....