They will likely survive for many decades to come. Even as thier self made prophecy concerning 1914 becomes less and less believable every day, most will accept whatever new light spews from the GB. Even the teachings about the "faithfull and discreet slave being annointed will likely be changed as the run out of so-called annointed ones to replace the old farts running it now. As Ray Franz has said before the "Society" has a great ability to metamorphose itself time and time again. Lets face facts, how many of the younger people in the "Truth" know about thier real history? How many have simply accepted the "Societies" doctored history and went on? How many of them would acutually believe any thing posted on this web site or any other? As long as thier minds are fully locked into the cult and thier mind control they will continue to renew this tired old religion and transform it into its next incarnation. Charles Russell once said "Religion is a snare and a racket". God, if he only knew how true those words really are.
LongHauler
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How Much Longer Can The WBTS Survive?
by SpannerintheWorks ina 2000-year-old-plus religion cannot survive for much longer!
we are questioning the wbts every day!
the web is a great way of exposing the wbts, and we are doing it daily!.
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"Silentlambs" was the "Messenger...
by Gilgamesh inbill bowen may be more important than some of us think he is.
there was a post back in july this year that began: wycliffe, tyndale,..........bowen .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=33120&site=3.
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LongHauler
Must we try and assasinate Bill Bowens character here on this forum? Certainly he is not a perfect man, and perhaps he is going a tad overboard comparing himself to a messenger. Anyone who stands up for the rights of others still has to have something good inside of him though. Perhaps his overzealousness is just a bi-product of the anger some feel when they have the wool lifted from thier eyes with regards to the Watchtower, Bible and Tract selling society for the first time. Disagree with the way Bill Bowen is handling things, no problem. But lets not forget that he has shed the glaring light of the media on this twisted little secret of the orginization.
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The Two Witness Rule is NOT THE ISSUE
by jst2laws inthe problem.
many here are supporters of the movement to expose the wt society's harmful policies that seem to shelter molesters and punish victims.
a common scenario is there are not two witnesses or a confession to the sin and the "loyal" elders have told the victim and their parents that 'there is nothing more we can do'.
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As much as they blast major religions, especialy catholics, isn't it interesting that they now have something in common with them......
" Back then we didn't have all these sophisticated birth control methods. Like pulling out."- Jack Warden explains how he came to be Norm MacDonalds father in "Dirty Work".
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New Trek Flick
by LongHauler inhas anyone gone to startrek.com and downloaded the new trailer?
this one looks pretty damn awesome.
although that whole "a generations final journey begins" crap is a turn off though.
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LongHauler
petespal2002, just shoot me an e-mail sometime if you want the whole sorded story. In the mean time read my thread on angry kids. If you e-mail, keep in mind I'm a truck driver and it takes me a bit to get back to people.
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New Trek Flick
by LongHauler inhas anyone gone to startrek.com and downloaded the new trailer?
this one looks pretty damn awesome.
although that whole "a generations final journey begins" crap is a turn off though.
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Has anyone gone to startrek.com and downloaded the new trailer? This one looks pretty damn awesome. Although that whole "A generations final journey begins" crap is a turn off though.
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Angry Kids
by LongHauler inall right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.
just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?
i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?
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I don't think the inital anger I felt would have bothered me quite as bad if I had known then that I would someday be able to address it and start to move on. Despite the fact that I don't really believe anyone can fault a JW child for some level of anger or hurt, I really was fearfull that it would keep me from ever having any kind of relationship with my parents. I just hope that in the off chance that I someday find a woman I am willing to procreate with that I can keep the cult out of thier life without subjecting them to the same kind of isolation from family that my folks tried whipping on me.
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Angry Kids
by LongHauler inall right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.
just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?
i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?
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LongHauler
Well, this certainly got more attention than I thought...Guess since I am new here the least I could do is fill you in on some of the details you asked about....
LoneWolf:
How long have you been driving? I have well over a million miles in most everything from dry vans and reefers to 28 and 30 wheel A and B train flat beds. I used to haul loads of haz-mat resin over the Oregon passes into Eastern Oregon weighing 105,500, rain, snow, or whatever. I quit that as I got tired of chaining up that much. Am driving local now. Mostly possum belly chip trucks.
Max weight now is SUPPOSED to be 88,500. Ever get out Oregon way?
Cheers mate! I do get to Oregon every great once in a while, I pull a 53' reefer for Prime Inc. out of Springfield, MO. We haul a lot of french fries out of Kennewick, WA and Nursery stock out of Cornelius, OR. I've been driving for two years now, and I've got a brand new truck coming in January.
Matty:
Who can you really blame though? What is the point in blaming anyone in particular? Does it really get you anywhere? Directing this anger toward my parents is not helpful to anyone. They were just one loop in the chain, and they have been duped just as I was. How can I be angry at two people that love me and thought that they were doing the best for me in their own strange way? I am lucky enough to be able to break that chain, and if I have children I know that I will do my utmost to ensure that they lead normal and fulfilled lives, unburdened by the guilt and fear associated with being brought up in a cult.
You're absolutly right. Blaming them won't help. And after a year of seeing a shrink I too am starting to get over it. But I wonder if it's just normal too feel that way at first? Part of my real anger was that since my sister was twelve years older than me you would think they would begin to wonder if thier parenting style might have been flawed when thier attempts at making her into a witness failed so miserably. But they handled me entirely the same way and once again it failed badly. I guess in thier minds tha absolutness of the watchtower teachings was just embeded too deeply in thier heads. Like many deeply religous people they hid behind the bible and/or Watchtower and justified even thier most dumbass stunts with it. Thier attitude seemed to be "It can't be our fault, we just did what the bible told us to". And of course the elders and the congregation completely supported this. Lets be honest, most of my childhood it would not have been a stretch for one of them to find me in my room with two slit wrists. But the cult programing would have kicked in and the first words out of thier mouths would have been that it could not possibly have anything to do with the Watchtower way of life. A little long winded here I realize, but food for thought none the less.
Beck_Melbourne
ps, that was the shortest 2 months on the road I ever did see lol
I am touched that you remembered my long stay on the road. I assure you I am indeed still on the road and am writing this from the Petro truck stop in York, NE on I-80 exit 373. I told Prisca that in an E-Mail, but I guess she forgot.
I sincerely hope I have answered or clarified any lose ends. Thanks to everyone for all the feedback.
Doug Fry, "Sundown" a.k.a. LongHauler
"Well the waitress poured me another cup of coffee- pop it down- jack me up- shoot me out- flyin down the highway... lookin for the money... oohh I'm driving my life away, looking for a better way, for meee... oohh I'm driving my life away, lookin for a sunny day...." The Late Great Eddie Rabbit
Edited by - LongHauler on 26 October 2002 21:31:38
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Angry Kids
by LongHauler inall right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.
just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?
i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?
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My folks did a fine job of taking care of my sister and I, as far as pysical needs went. But they really
didn't teach us much about caring. Being forbidden to have extended contact with family members that wound up dying before we escaped the cult is a good example I think. What we missed out on growing up was hard to let go too, but as far as ambitions and talents go I have found no problem pursuing them now. Is it different if you were a believer as a child? I knew at a very early age that I wanted nothing to do with being a JW. -
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Angry Kids
by LongHauler inall right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.
just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?
i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?
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All right, obviously I'm a little new here so bear with me. Just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents? I wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?
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Who else went sex crazy?
by buffy inok, question for all the non dubs.
am i the only one who went totally wild (sexually) when i got df'd?
well, i actually went wild when i turned 21 and became inactive.
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LongHauler
Sex was only the beginning. Once the restrictions of the cult were gone I went ape shit. Sex, Drugs, Drinking, Partying, anything that was forbidden I did. Hell I'm still recovering from it. I was lucky though. Once I was able to get over my mistrust of people, I found some great friends. One of these days I'll be able to have christmas with them without feeling out of place.