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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

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  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  Being told that all the letters in the NT only applied to the heavenly class - and I wasn't one of 'em!

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  Missing a meeting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Skeptically Yours in

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  today, like many days, well, usually once or twice weekly, i'm missing yet another meeting; it's the 'book study' meeting.. just don't feel like hearing the same crap.

  the book (isaiah's prophecy) we're studying now is so redundant and boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  plus, i saw all the people i care for over the weekend, so i really don't need to have another doses of their love just yet.. sound familiar to anyone?!.

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  rebel

  I'd love to be able to miss every meeting. It isn't so easy for those that have family, particularly children, who still attend. Also, if you are trying to fade away gradually, you have to go to at least some meetings, even if they make you want to puke. I don't know why I'm bothering to fade away though, because I think the elders in my congregation have other ideas. Ah well - that's life.

  xxR
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  Which Corporation Owns the Buildings?

  by IslandWoman in

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  there has been info on recent threads that the watchtower is liquidating some assets in brooklyn and elsewhere.

  there are a number of corporations used by the watchtower.

  does anyone know which of those corporations own the buildings in question and would therefore be involved with the sale of these buildings?

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  rebel

  "If this had been real food ,we would all be dead from starvation.! What are they doing with all this free time on their hands,besides sleeping more." Blueblades

  Brilliant!

  xxR
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  If Jesus Was Without Sin....

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching discovery's program about jesus.

  an interesting point was brought up: if jesus was without sin, why was he baptized by john the baptist?

  opinions, anyone?.

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  rebel

  Robyn,

  Wasn't Jesus' baptism more of an anointing than a baptism as we know it? As a JW, I was taught that we are baptised as an outward sign to show we are willing to dedicate our entire life to Jehovah. With Jesus, it was a sign to show he was God's anointed - the Messiah - at least that's what I think.

  As a Catholic, I was also taught that Christ's baptism was not the same as the one you undergo as an infant.

  Just my thoughts.

  xxR
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  Disassociating inactive ones?

  by madison149 in

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  a few days ago someone wrote about a new rule that came out in elders school this summer about inactive ones still being accountable to jehovah's (watchtower) rules.

  does this mean that they are going to start disassociating ones who have been inactive for years who are not upholding the rules?

  i know of a few people who have not attended meeting in several years who either celebrate holidays or in other ways break the rules and everybody knows it.

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  I was called on the other night by 2 elders and an MS. Apparently, according to others on this forum, they are probably trying to find a way of either making me be the good, dutiful, submissive, wifey-sister that I never was or they want to boot me out completely. Well, I have an opinion of my own, I have my own mind. God gave me a brain and a mouth and I often use them both - much to the disgust of many elders. When I see young ones being picked on unfairly, elders wives spreading gossip, a member of my own family treated like garbage because a particular elder took a dislike to her, an elder's son getting away with murder (anyone else would have been disfellowshipped for what he has done in the past), malicious lies told about certain ones because their face doesn't fit, emotional blackmail used to make everyone toe the line - well that's when I use my mouth BIG TIME - and it gets me into trouble every time. But I will continue to speak out when I feel an injustice has been done because these people think they are above everyone else. They can say and do as they please and we just have to agree with it or keep quiet. But I would rather put up with the pain that will inevitably come with my being DFd or DAd, than put up with this hell-hole of a religion. I feel sick and panicky when I go to the meetings, I feel sick and panicky when I don't. This situation is so ridiculous, it has to stop.

  For all you out there going through the same thing - just stick with it and do what you believe is right.

  xxR
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  More Inaccurate WT info

  by Yerusalyim in

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  i realize this won't shake or suprise many, but it's again an example of dishonest writing by the wtbts.

  in the sep 15, 2002 wt, the very first article is "the modern appeal of 'saints" on page 3 as a footnote, the wt says;.

  "*canonization officially recognizes a deceased roman catholic as worthy of universal and obligatory veneration.".

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  As a Catholic, I was taught that Mary would intercede in my behalf when I prayed to her. In other words, when I prayed to Mary or saints, they would plead with me and for me and help my prayers reach the ears of God - that's what I was taught anyway.

  Also, many Catholics pray to saints and have their own favourites. Many Catholics don't. But whether you do or not, you are not booted out of the church - the choice is yours. Just because I am no longer a Catholic does not mean that my friends from that church shun me. They still talk to me, visit etc. They don't hold it against me because I left the church. How different to the WT society.

  xxR
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  Does Religion drive you nuts?

  by JH in

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  with all the different religions and beliefs that contradict each other, do you still believe that one of them is the true religion?

  the more we try to understand god, the more we are lost.

  the more we pray, the more we are deceived.

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  I was just thinking about the whole subject of religion. It's funny, but I thought the JW who knocked on my door originally was some sort of saviour. She told me the 'Truth' and I came to realise that I had at last found all the answers. I wasn't going to burn in hell after all. The Catholic church had been lying to me all these years. Then, when I became a JW, I came to realise that if I didn't toe the line, I would become an outcast, cut off from friends and family - what I call hell on earth. I am told I speak when I should listen, I am not submissive enough and I am too free and easy with my own opinions. I don't like that sort of religion. I want to be able to express myself without fear of reprisal.

  I am beginning to look at things for the first time and I have to agree with the previous comments. Religion ruins things. Why can't people just believe in a God of their choice and stop trying to get everyone else to agree with their views. It gets even wore when you are shunned for your beliefs or because you no longer want to go along with a particular set of beliefs. What is it about some people that makes them want to convert everybody to their brand of religion? Live and let live.

  xxR
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  What Are Some Of The STUPIDEST Comments Made?

  by minimus in

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  what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?

  the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?

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  Bathory,

  I have a bad bout of flu at the moment and my mind is really fuzzy - but I really want to know more about the God you believe in.

  You see, I am not presumptuous enough to think I have all the answers. In fact, I am searching for answers. I have this dreadful need to know - I call it dreadful because it is. I lost my fourth child and I need to know where or what she is. I know this may sound really horrible to those that have a sound belief - but I was RC then JW and now I know nothing. Please forgive me. Wanting to know Claire is safe and happy is the be-all-and-end-all at the moment!!!

  xxR
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  Question for fade-aways.

  by bay64me in

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  well, i panicked, i prepared and had excuses ready.

  strategies and contingency plans up and running.

  i have been awaiting, nay willing my "inactive persons' shepherding call" (whatever) and it hasn't happened yet!.

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  rebel

  I am so down at the moment - I hope I can work my way out.

  xxR
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  Judging

  by Marcos in

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  i approach this thread with some trepidation.

  i understand that most of us here have had a bad to terrible experience with an organization that is highly judgmental and vengeful in its approach to its members.

  so i post this with the utmost respect toward all who wish to read it.

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  Xena,

  I agree with you so much.

  How can anyone judge someone else unless they have been in their shoes?

  Unfortunately, the world is full of people who just love to judge. They forget what they have done in the past and love to pick at others. They love to be called Christians but seem to forget what Jesus said about judging others - to paraphrase "If you do not forgive others, God will not forgive you." In other words, do not judge people, because you have done a lot worse!!!