I seem to have been consumed by guilt for most of my life. As a RC, I was guilty. As a JW, I was guilty. I never felt good enough. I am so sick of feeling guilty just for being alive!
This KM stinks to high heaven!
xxR
Posts by rebel
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20New KM Tries To Make Old & Young Feel Guilt...
by minimus inwhat is your priority?
that is the article that's on page 8 of the feb. km.
notice some quotes.
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Is the Bible Really the inspired word of God?
by Shirlgirl ini ask this question simply to see what others think....... when my daugther was 16, she came to me late one night after we had come from a meeting and asked me...."mom, what if the witnesses have it all wrong?
there are only 66 books that we use, what if we are worshipping the wrong idea?
" she then walked out of the room and went to bed...... god, did that open a can of worms.....because i actually started thinking on that.. however, i took it a step further....what if religion on whole had it all wrong....so i began to do research, and what i found was amazing to me..... 2timothy 3:16 began to 'ring' in my mind....."all scripture is inspired of god...." funny, didn't say just 66 books were inspired, but all scripture....then i began to break it down....what was scripture?
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rebel
Hi Shirlgirl,
This is a subject I am really interested in. I have always taken it for granted that the Bible is the word of our Creator. I was brought up as a Catholic and never questioned the Bible. As a JW, I was even more certain that this was God's Word. However, I have read so much on this board concerning the Bible that I am starting to really think about it. Some people on this board are very knowledgeable about such things and can help you more that I can. All I can say is, keep an open mind at all times. When we shut our minds off, and refuse to listen to those that disagree with us, we start to become tunnel-visioned, just like I was when I was a JW. Just look at all the options and make up your own mind.
I am looking forward to reading more responses to this.
xxR
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Did they lie about you when you left?
by Brummie ini was reading something bout bashing the org unfairly...i disagree with doing it to a degree but did you get an unfair bashing by jws after you left?
i was accused of marrying a sister (who i helped to leave at the same time as me), she was twice my senoir and had sons the same age as me...pure lies and gossip.
and i was accused of smoking some drug, and thats why i disassed.
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rebel
The whole thing is hilarious.
Someone 'thinks' they know why you stopped coming. They mention it to someone else. Before you know it, there is a whole web of stories and anecdotes - mainly lies.
They'll be saying I eat babies for breakfast next.
xxR
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AWAKE Says We Shouldn't Judge Apostates!
by minimus inthe february 8, 2003 awake has an article entitled:"is there an unforgivable sin".notice the good news for apostates or those who once associated.
"some people who were once faithful christians have purposely drawn away from god, perhaps because of bitterness, pride, or greed, and are now apostate fighters against god's spirit.
they willfully oppose what the spirit is clearly accomplishing.
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The public talk last Sunday in my cong was along the lines of "Where will we go to" - in other words - if you leave, where will you go? Who else has the 'truth'? Who else has Jehovah's approval? They are implying that if you leave, you are doomed. Scare tactics!
I didn't go, but I have my spies!
They must be getting pretty scared at the amount leaving the org. In my congregation, in the last year, I know of 8 baptized publishers who have become inactive - me included.
xxR
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Did Jesus Die on a Cross or Stake
by Tommy Boy ini have been research the topic of how christ died and have read many articles (most interesting of them was at the url http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/cross.htm) which indicate that he died on a cross, so i contacted the wt and they told me to look at vine's expository dictionary of new testament words, and this is what i found.
topic: cross, crucify
<a-1,noun,4716,stauros> .
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rebel
Hi Tommy Boy and welcome.
I often wondered about this cross/stake thing. But, when you really think about it, what does it really matter? If you believe the Bible, and believe that Jesus was God's Son and he was sent to give his life as a sacrifice, does it make one ounce of difference whether he died on a cross or a stake? What does it matter whether he was crucified, drowned, beheaded, strangled, stoned etc etc? The fact is, he died and was resurrected - that's if you believe the Bible account. I think the JWs make too big an issue out of this stake business. Personally, I couldn't care less how he died.
There are many on this board that don't believe the Bible at all. I am not too sure and am doing a lot of research myself. I am open to debate and love to hear other people's views, but I don't really think the manner of Christ's death is that important. I know there is a scripture in the OT somewhere that says he will be hung up and pierced (I think - could be wrong - my knowledge of scriptures is appalling!)
Just my thoughts.
xxR
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"Help at the right Time" KM February...
by frogit in10 min: talk by elder.
"help at the right time" highlight that the special effort being made to assist those who are inactivate reflects jehovahs loving concern for his people.. .
help at the right time.
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I was talking to a friend last week (she is also inactive) and we both agreed that it is funny how the ones that have stopped coming to the meetings are the ones we really liked. It seems as if all the truly genuine ones are leaving slowly but surely, leaving behind the real hard-nuts or those who don't have the courage to leave. My congregation has got to be one of the most unloving in the UK - full of spiteful hypocrites and gossips. There are a few genuine ones, but they are far and few between. Why on earth do the elders suppose I want to go back to that cesspit? Once my hubby (a hard one to crack) and children (almost there) are completely out, I will throw a party to celebrate.
xxR
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Did they lie about you when you left?
by Brummie ini was reading something bout bashing the org unfairly...i disagree with doing it to a degree but did you get an unfair bashing by jws after you left?
i was accused of marrying a sister (who i helped to leave at the same time as me), she was twice my senoir and had sons the same age as me...pure lies and gossip.
and i was accused of smoking some drug, and thats why i disassed.
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I have heard many funny stories because I have not been regular at meetings for months and haven't been to any meetings for weeks. Apparently, I have left my husband, started my own sect, slandered one of the elders, had a nervous breakdown, lost my job, and moved away. All these things are lies - my husband and I are very much together, I wouldn't start a sect if my life depended on it, I have ALWAYS slandered the elders (ha ha!), I am mentally sound (at least for the moment), I am still working and I am STILL HERE! I haven't moved anywhere. It is amazing how the gossips have a field day about such things.
xxR
PS - They can say what they like, when they like. My true friends will stick with me. Those that don't were never friends to begin with.
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Feb. 8, 2003 Awake - Is There an Unforgivable Sin?
by Southland inanother anti-apostacy article.
speaks for itself.
(updated with better scanned images) .
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Gopher said "What about people who were kicked out because of human weakness, or those whose judicial cases were perverted by bias?"
I am only just starting to realise what a problem this really is. For yeras, I stupidly thought that there were strict, scriptural rules regarding disfellowshipping. It is such a cruel and harsh punishment for someone to be cut off from family and friends. However, I have now found out that it is usually done according to the pet hates of a particualar elder or set of elders. What is classed as a disfellowshipping offence in one congregation goes unchecked in another. The hypocrisy makes me sick to the stomach. These presumptuous men are playing about with people's lives and emotions, and they have the brass neck to say they are doing God's will and it is for our own good - how depressing!
xxR
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Identifying mind states used by JWs
by Introspection init seems that it would be very useful to know the tricks jws use, most of us are no doubt aware of this on some level but i thought it would be nice to really get into them, maybe even look at some actual incidents that have happend to see what was going on.
what comes to mind for me is that some of the emotions involved are guilt, shame and fear, but not only that there is the whole "love bombing" thing on the other side.
i think it's worth pointing out that the bombing is basically to stroke your ego, i mean they are being nice to you because they want a new person.
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I've had the elders tell me what a wonderful person I am and it is such a pity that I am letting a few 'trivial' things come between me and Jehovah. The 'trivial' things were not trivial by any means. They also keep saying that so-and-so (and then they mention different ones in the congregation) really misses you and it would be such a pity to let them down by not coming when they are relying on you so much. It's funny, but when I was a regular attendee, the elders never had anything nice to say to me. They are really trying to make me feel as guilty as hell, but I'm not buying it anymore.
xxR
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Disfellowshipped? I got a question
by sableindian inif a person is disfellowshipped, can they talk to anyone in the congregation?
and if not, what scripture says they (the disfellowshipped person) can not.
and, has anyone ever heard that an elder or someone else suggest a disfellowshipped person wear a letter "d" (the scarlett letter) when they go to public functions like an assembly?
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In my congregation, the elders wives talk to disfellowshipped ones!
Where does it say that in the scriptures - that the wives of elders can talk to ones that the rest of us are prohibited from talking to???
What a load of tosh!
xxR