Gorbatchov: The style of the talk is like the "Tell us when will this occur" part at the 1993 convention, about the "Sun, moon and stars" in the time of the end.
What was brought out then?
during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.
i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.
then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.
Gorbatchov: The style of the talk is like the "Tell us when will this occur" part at the 1993 convention, about the "Sun, moon and stars" in the time of the end.
What was brought out then?
many years ago, we lived in a world where the one tv in your house might be black and white, perhaps color if you were lucky, but either way the screen was small and the arial on your house would struggle to deliver a decent signal but often fail in a fuzzy mess.
most of the movies you saw were old, there was no home video or rental - you got a chance to see something and then it was gone.
planning your viewing was important to make sure you didn't miss something so you'd carefully scan the tv guide to pick out your favourites ... good job there were only 2 or 3 channels to look through.. but you could still see quality if you went to the movie theatre and there you got to see glorious film on a giant screen (which is only now being equalled quality wise).
Tommy Sands in Babes in Toyland. I was 5.
am a newcomer.
had a starnge metting in local news last night.. check it out.
actual info starts at 50;12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plxdjs13l0k.
At least 50 years ago, people were putting secret storage spaces for literature in their homes.
... unlike the rest of humanity, you looked forward to mondays because it was a day off from a meeting..
If the word "pioneer" doesn't make you think of covered wagons.
the watchtower society always attempts to disprove or discredit valid arguments or statements by criticizing the ability of individuals to think, reason, ask tough questions and make their own decisions!
if they can't logically attack the message, they attack the messenger!!
the name calling of apostates or anyone who doesn't agree with all the wtbts flip-flops ( the light gets brighter) never stops!
A question on a side point: What's the scandal in the Rome Bethel?
i just overheard an anointed acquaintance on the phone with a friend of hers who has just had surgery for cervical cancer.
among the snippets of dialogue i heard on my end of the line, these ones stood out:.
"you lost a lot of blood?
Nevuela, Isn't DATA-DOG simply poking fun at the Society's views?
so, this week on the clm there was an interesting comment at our kh.. under the "apply yourself to the field ministry" portion this week, there was the bible study assignment based on the publication: who are doing jehovah’s will today?
published in 2016. the material was from lesson 28 "what can be found on our website?
there is a footnote at the bottom that reads: .
A householder told me an elder had cheated them in a business deal. I didn't know what to say, doubting the elder was guilty but knowing it was possible. I asked another elder about it, and he said we should always defend our brothers and say they wouldn't engage in such wrongdoing. I didn't say anything (being a good sister) but couldn't help thinking: What if the brother actually was guilty? How would the householder feel if we insisted otherwise?
Several years later I went with a sister on a study. She told the student we could trust the elders to do right and take care of the congregation. I said that if they didn't, Jehovah would correct the situation in time. She repeated herself. I said, very nicely, "But if they did...." "But they wouldn't."
I had in mind the elder accused of dishonest business practices. I still didn't know whether he was guilty of that, but I did know, and so did the the other sister, that he was guilty of molesting numerous children and had been disfellowshiped. In spite of that she still told the Bible student we could trust the elders not to do harm.
Right.
this is bigger than christmas and birthdays wrap into one.
thanks to the australian royal commission our youngest son has woke up.
we received a e-mail from him tonight where he apologized to us for shunning us all these years, how bad he felt for doing this.
former2free, Welcome! Although we'd love to hear more of your story, be very careful about putting on here any information that can identify you. You don't want to drive your wife and children in the opposite direction or raise suspicions about yourself in the congregation by accidentally "outing" yourself before you're ready.
hey i was wondering if maybe someone who is an ex elder or who knows a lot about these things could help me.
my dad is an elder but i need to be cautious with questions i ask.
now that i’ve been woken up from my brainwashed love of this corrupt corporation and from my belief in the bible, and my fiancé is starting to wake up as well, i really don’t want to have the sexist, overused, impersonal talk outline used for my wedding ceremony by some elder who is trying to show off his talk giving skills.
They have banished the liquor, dancing, and music at the reception
Is that a general rule or just in certain areas?
Wow! Thanks! Some of these I'm familiar with, but some are new to me.