Posts by StrongHaiku

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If shunning was a conscience matter?

by aintenoughwiskey in

what do you think the reaction would be?

i would say a small portion (single digit) would walk.

no loss for the borg, they weren't donating anyway.

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steve2 - For these Witnesses, shunning is an action that can never be overdone.

Absolutely true. As you pointed, there are plenty (including my family) that at some level "relish the act of shunning". JWs are definitely of the mindset of "suffering as a virtue". When the name is announced from the podium there is both sadness and relief (Yay! it wasn't me!) and a smug sense of superiority.

And, if my family stopped shunning because it became a matter of conscience, I am not sure I would want them in my life again. I have had over 25 years of being kicked around like a soccer ball every time they relax or tighten their stance on shunning. Why would I want relationships to be dictated by the next talk or magazine article? There are better people out there just about anywhere else.

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Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

by Brokeback Watchtower in

as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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DATA-DOG - The worst thing the WTBTS could ever imagine is an ex-JW Lawyer working for Zalkin. Can you even imagine?

That would be cool. Or maybe one of their accountants...Can you imagine?

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Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?

by cappytan in

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i was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?

i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".

oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.

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Demonizing an enemy is one of the basic tenets of warfare - From Wikipedia - "Demonization is the oldest propaganda technique aimed to inspire hatred toward the enemy necessary to hurt them more easily, to preserve and mobilize allies and demoralize the enemy."

They are not making a medical or psychological assessment. What this does is allow them to justify the treatment of the "other" (i.e. ex-JWs). On a side note, I never tried to "infect others" with my ideas. I kept my mouth shut about the JWs for over a decade. Once, they started the name-calling, all bets were off.

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Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

by Brokeback Watchtower in

as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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sir82 - At the very least, such videos should be shown in every child custody / divorce case where one parent is a JW and one is not.

Good point.

In a related topic - My brother (a JW) and his wife (a non-JW) were trying to adopt. They were turned down a number of times because the case worker determined that (a) having a mixed-belief marriage with a high-control religion creates a harmful environment and (b) the dangers of the JW doctrines (e.g. Blood Issue, Shunning) would be a potential harm to the child.

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

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this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

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It's like a room full of "Weeping Angels" from Dr Who... Maybe she's trying not to blink. Creepy...

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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?

by nicolaou in

this topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .

.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.

the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.

StrongHaiku

Great comments...

I would say that there may be times that ridiculing an idea (not the person) is the only response. But, I typically find that asking basic/obvious questions of a premise helps the other person realize that their idea might be ridiculous.

Also, I have found personally that if I am going to attempt humor, it is probably better to "Punch up. Don't punch down." In other words, I try to aim the humor at the privileged and powerful as opposed to the disenfranchised and powerless.

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Why Jehovah Does Not Want An Effective Preaching Work

by konceptual99 in

so we all know how ineffectual the preaching work really is.

we also know how much the wts hypes up the scope and scale of the global preaching effort.

what the gb should be doing however is emphasising the ineffectiveness of the preaching work.

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But wait, God's plan falls apart even more when you consider what many JWs claim. At Armageddon, the idea is that "then they will know that I am Jehovah!". WTF? Ok. Imagine you are just an average person and fire starts raining from the sky, the earth splits open, lightning, thunder, etc. - i.e. another Michael Bay movie.

Between the time that you see it and the time that every atom of your being is separated from every other atom of your being, is your last thought going to be "Darn. I should have listened to those people that came to my door. I guess they were right after all. Oh, well. Well played, God. My bad...". Or, is it going to be "Holy Crap! WWIII is starting! Who did we piss off?" or "Asteroids!" or "Terrorists!" or something more in the forefront of the average mind?

Wait, it gets better as I have had JWs say that "Jehovah" would make it clear that it is him causing the destruction so there is no confusion. Wow! Ok. Maybe God should make himself clearly known before Armageddon and stop playing an eternal game of hide-and-seek. Maybe more people would believe.

If the goal is to save as many people as possible, I think a brain-dead ferret could come up with a better plan.

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What was your eye opening moment?

by WasOnceBlind in

if you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.

i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.

i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.

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Reading Joseph Campbell (e.g. "The Power of Myth") helped me to understand that there were a large number of gods, religions, rituals, stories, holy books, beliefs, etc. It was the first I realized that everyone thinks they are completely right about their religion, including me. It helped me to appreciate how people created these over time and that the JWs (including myself) did not have a privileged position in the continuum of beliefs and religions.

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Do JW elders perform exorcisms?

by QuestioningEverything in

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what if a person is thought to be possessed and nothing suspicious is found in their home, ie books, yard sale stuff, smurfs, etc..., will the elders perform an exorcism?

have any of you ever heard of a person getting exorcised?.

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When I was a kid in the 70's in Puerto Rico, I witnessed a number of "exorcisms". Typically, it started with someone getting "weird vibes" about something in their home. Which they usually identified as demons. In reality the origin of these was someone having "night-terrors" or some mental/emotional issue. The elders would come over, make a bonfire, pray, burn just about everything they owned, and pray over them until they broke down into a heap. Welcome to the 15th century!

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The Religion Of Rejection - And Now That Includes Me

by dubstepped in

due to some recent developments i find myself in a new place, and at this point i've lost all of my family and fri....oh that's right, i never really had any friends in the organization anyway.

just people that wanted something from me and a few people that i would invite to do things that occasionally said yes.

the recent rejections of me got me thinking, so let's take a rejection inventory.. i had to reject all of the holidays when my parents started studying.. i had to reject any worldly friends that i already had.. even family became rejected, and the new religion had some place in that.. i was rejected in school and bullied all of the time, not just because we were poor and i made good grades, but for jw reasons too.

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Congratulations, Dubstepped. Welcome to reality.

You have already been provided with great advice from other posters. The following is what I wish I could have said to myself when I walked out:

"The next few years will be scary and exhilarating. There will be LOTS of things you will learn but, more importantly, unlearn. Soak up all of the knowledge, freedom, and experiences you have been denied for years. Take every opportunity to educate yourself on everything from critical thinking to science to politics to religions and myths to social sciences and on, and on... For the past few years you have not been thinking for yourself but instead blindly following orders. You will not only need to learn facts but learn the skills to think critically to evaluate them properly.

QUESTION EVERYTHING! When you were in you were absolutely convinced you were right on just about everything. You may find that you are wrong on just about everything you believed and still believe.

Stop believing that the Organization (or JW family) have the "moral high-ground". That is purely an illusion. You will find better people and friends just about everywhere else.

And, don't be afraid. You will never be alone."