Posts by TheSilence

As I said, it was not an attempt to discredit evolution. Had nothing to DO with evolution, per se. Evolution was only the issue used to make the point, again

You didn't say 'C'mon, believers of scientific theories of all forms and nature.' You specified evolutionists to counter your arguments.

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what do you say to a brother-in-law elder who can't take no for an answer

by focariedu21 in

my daughter is getting married soon and she has "no kids to my wedding" policy as we plainly cannot afford it.

everyone out of the truth seems to understands this and no complaints but my abnoxious proud and pig headed brother in law can't take no for an answer as he thinks his young son is sooooooo special he needs to attend.

he called up yesterday and gave her an earfull on how his son is sooo good and her first cousin that it's sooo wrong to have him there, she came home crying.

TheSilence

lol I'm glad.

I wouldn't really recommend sending that, mind you, but you seemed like you needed the tension release of reading something like that. I would. Just remind your daughter that this is about her, not him, and if he's going to behave that way he isn't worth the time wasted worrying about him.

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what do you say to a brother-in-law elder who can't take no for an answer

by focariedu21 in

my daughter is getting married soon and she has "no kids to my wedding" policy as we plainly cannot afford it.

everyone out of the truth seems to understands this and no complaints but my abnoxious proud and pig headed brother in law can't take no for an answer as he thinks his young son is sooooooo special he needs to attend.

he called up yesterday and gave her an earfull on how his son is sooo good and her first cousin that it's sooo wrong to have him there, she came home crying.

TheSilence

More harsh, more better? Okay.

Look, ***, this is *my daughter's* wedding. We are paying for it. If you would like to foot the bill for *every* child that wishes to attend you are welcome to bring your son. Until that happens we can't afford all the kids so we can't afford *any* of the kids. And, if you ever make my daughter cry over *her wedding* again I will personally stop by and***. Even assholes should know better than to make a bride cry over her big day, it takes a special breed not to realize that.

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I am out of here

by Aussie Oz in

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this place has become far to jw ish for my liking.. free expression and rights to make reply are shut down by those who hold the key.. this forum is turning into an uber christian outreach program with those who take umbridge to them getting locked and deleted threads.

it would perhaps not be so bad if the moderators actually communicated to people such as myself rather than cold cutting.

they complain when we make a public outcry and tell us it belongs in a private message, yet cannot see 'the straw in their own eye' and do not use the private messages to communicate why they have done what they do.

TheSilence

Saying someone shouldn't post in a certain style or using certain words is a personal attack.

That is true... but, and I could be wrong because I only read the thread once, I believe Oz did not specify anyone, he addressed a style of speaking without mentioning names. That is not a personal attack. That is venting an opinion on a style of speaking. I can tell you that it's like nails on a chalkboard when someone says 'ya'll' and that is not a personal attack on anyone. I have very close friends who use the term and would never attack them, it is simply a preference.

There aren't a lot of people who post here using the particular style he was complaining about.

That still doesn't make it a personal attack. There were people on the thread who *were* bringing up names and making it a personal attack but, again from what I saw, Oz was making a general statement. He brought up no names. He shared his thoughts about the effectiveness of the style of speaking.

Attack ideas not people. Discuss ideas, not people.

To reitterate, I believe he did. Others attacked a person or people, I did not see Oz do so. I could see taking issue with the people who attacked a person but I did not see Oz do that.

And if it really irks you how a person posts then doin't read it.

I agree wholeheartedly. To me it was nothing that I would have ever posted. If I don't like a style of post I skip right over it. But... that doesn't make Oz's post wrong. Looking at the other side of the coin, those who were irked by his opinions on that manner of speaking did not have to read his post.

We all have to accept responsibility for what we do say or post.

For instance, if you come to a discussion board where people have been burned by a religion and are often in a place where pushing your religion on them makes them, at best, uncomfortable and, in some instances, brings back painful memories and emotions because they aren't in a peaceful place with their past yet... and you come to that discussion board and wish the blessings of your god on them every time you address them... then you must accept responsibility for the fact that some people are going to be upset or offended and air that opinion. It works both ways. And I'm not saying anyone should feel they *can't* wish people the blessings of their god(s)... but if they are going to do so they do so knowing full well that it may not always be taken in the positive spirit in which it was meant.

And while this is not a business, if this was one coworker to the other ther person blessing others with every discussion would be hauled to HR and face disciplinary action for doing so. This is not a business and there is going to be religious discussion, ideas, etc on a board themed on a religion... but my point is that even outside the boundaries of ex-jehovahs witnesses some people find this offensive, enough so that there are mandated rules in companies about it so they don't get into legal trouble. So we all understand that there are people offended by these things. Does that mean you shouldn't do it in a public forum if you so wish? No, you have th right to wish your blessings... but so should someone have the right to air their offense at said blessings as long as it is not a personal attack, which, in Oz's case, I don't believe it was.

All of that said, I didn't agree with the thread... but moreso I do not agree with censoring someone from airing their opinion when it was not a personal attack. Censor those who *did* mention names and make it personal, that I can understand... but I see no reason to censor Oz.

And lastly, since I only read the thread once and there may have been additional information to which I am not privvy, if there are circumstances to which I am not aware that change what I saw then I apologize... but I can only comment on what I saw if threads are removed.

My two cents which are probably not worth even that much.

Jackie

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Water Canopy? Huh?

by Mr. Falcon in

*** w80 11/15 p. 23 par.

4 jehovah of armies to the rescue!

the fact that today we do not have a vast water canopy suspended high up in space and all around our globe and thus blocking direct sunlight, moonlight and starlight is because jehovah saw what was going on down here upon his terrestrial footstool and took action.

TheSilence

there is only scriptures to go by right now.....

if one completely discounts science. We wouldn't want to go by that.

~Note for the sarcasm impaired... the above statement is dripping.

Jackie

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Happy Pi Day!

by Twitch in

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and now for something completely nerdy,.... http://www.piday.org/.

lmao.

.

TheSilence

We're adding pie to March 14, now, too?

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I love Christmas!

by Newborn in

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this will be my third christmas and i love it!!!

i love buying gifts to my friends and family (those who are out) .

and best of all, this year i've got a boyfriend.

TheSilence

You say that you're simply curious as to my motivations BUT reading between the lines, I believe that you think that Misery and I OWE you an explanation. I don't think we owe you a damn thing. Isn't our having grown up in the JW religion explanation enough?

That's an interesting statement to make about me considering you just complained about someone else making statements about you without first finding out what you're about. But you are certainly welcome to believe whatever you want about me. I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I really was just curious. If you choose not to answer, well, I'm pretty sure my life will go on just perfectly fine. And if you choose to believe that I'm the kind of person who feels she is owed something from a stranger on the internet, again, my life will go on just perfectly fine. I simply asked a question I was curious to know the answer to. You can answer it or not as you please.

As for having grown up in the JW religion being explanation enough... I guess not since I grew up in the religion as well and I don't understand the need to come in and bash other people's joy. Remember that the childhood experiences of a witness upbringing are not exclusive to you and yours on this site. You can handle that hurt and pain however you'd like, but don't think that your experiences are any more valid than anyone else's here just because you choose to express it differently than others.

I don't think that I'll ever be completely free of the BOrg as long as I have family that are still in and I can't see them ever leaving. It's my cross to bear and my scar to wear. As much as I enjoy all your self righteous indignation at being trolled here, my thread about NOT celebrating has been trolled by your kind as well. I hope y'all can see the irony in that...

I have family that is still in. It still effects me. And, again, self righteous indignation is *your* reading of me, not the actuality of the situation. If you are reading that into my/our posts when it doesn't necessarily exist perhaps you need to look at what about *you* causes you to think that rather than what it is about us. I'm not indignant because I don't feel it's my place to judge you or anyone else. I simply asked questions out of curiosity. And your thread about not celebrating has not been trolled by me. I am only in charge of my own actions and you are only in charge of yours. Whether or not you troll here is on you, not on others who have trolled your thread.

I hope y'all will forgive my cold virus induced grumpiness someday.

So this was all induced by a cold? I have to say, I don't call other people's joy lame when I have a cold, but do what you must. There's nothing to forgive as you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. It's not my place to determine who is right or wrong. Nor is it even necessary that one of us be wrong. Again, I wanted to understand, nothing more. The judgmentalism you read into it came from you, not me. You need to look inside yourself for that. I would wish you the merriest of Christmases, but I think you would prefer I didn't. Instead I will wish you the best in your future, whatever that may be.

Best,

Jackie

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I love Christmas!

by Newborn in

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this will be my third christmas and i love it!!!

i love buying gifts to my friends and family (those who are out) .

and best of all, this year i've got a boyfriend.

TheSilence

Well.....I guess popping in and criticizing it is the part I enjoy.

Which I don't understand, which is why I asked. Again, not bashing, just asking out of curiosity... are you happy being that way?

Jackie