JWs popped over and my frustratingly-teetering-on-leaving mother asked for a new blood card. THIS new blood card. I also learned in the conversation that her 8 years old card has someone other than me (as I was a minor 8 years ago) listed as emergency contact, which means if she got hit by a truck not only would I not be told about it until god knows when, some JW she hasn't seen in years, and a HLC she has never met at all would be agreeing to let her die in my absence.
I freaked out when the JWs left and begged her not to carry the blood card, just to have me and my sister's numbers in her purse on an ID card and that we'd "do the right thing". She said she understood my point, and said she wouldn't carry it - but the JWs had said they'd come back with it when they are issued so I hope she doesn't change her mind. :s
While the JWs were here, one of them, a bloke my age said "I don't even let my mum (JW) sign my blood card because I don't want her to panic in Casualty and agree to blood." how UNNATURAL is that, wanting to die if it came down to it and not wanting your mum to be able to do what she feels is best?
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Brand New Blood Card meeting - Your Blood will run cold.
by hamsterbait ini first noticed that no scriptural discussion of the choice is made, so it all appears to be solely the decision of the signatory.. when choosing alternatives of treatment, the witless merely initials his choice under clauses 3 and 4. since this simply indicates choice, full signature and witness are not required.. .
now clause 6:.
"i consent to my medical records ands the details of my condition being shared with the emergency contact below (cong secretary recommended) and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee for jehovah's witnesses.. .
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WTS vs Quotes: Requiem for a Research Web Site
by Quotes inin compliance with the terms of a settlement agreement, my information and research web site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca, is now "dark".
the domain "watchtower.ca" has been transferred to wts (i assume they will have it pointing to borg.org watchtower.org asap).
my copies of the site have been destroyed, the files deleted, and my wt library cd has been destroyed, in accordance with the settlement agreement which will afford a "discontinuance" of their suit against me.
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Thankyou for all your efforts in exposing the Watchtower's history for what it is - their shutting you down spoke volumes. You are a star and I'm very grateful.
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I HATE THIS DEATH CULT!!!!
by avishai inright now my cousin, who has'nt even been a dub for years is likely dying because of the blood issue.
she signed no blood stuff likely due to her parents and a likely hlc member, jim rife.
she signed it apparently in a drugged or severely stressed state right before they put her into an incuced coma.
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Your cousin, her kids and you are in my thoughts. I hope she's able to kick their arses herself for this neglect and putting her in such an awful situation.
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Need advice and support :(
by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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As if on cue, the JWs turned up today to brings mags and have a cuppa.
Mum told them she had her faith tested and nearly quit.
She then asked the elder who came for an up-to-date Blood card.
Afterwards she said to me she's glad they came.
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Need advice and support :(
by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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Panorama is a very respected current-affairs documentary series made by the BBC. In July '02 they made a documentary about the paedophile scandal - I was "out" immediately when I saw it, although inactive I still believed it all until then and the whole belief just fell away in one go (aided by a bit of research online the next day - the first time I'd ever searched for JW stuff).
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Need advice and support :(
by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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Things have been calm again. I think it might be because she pushed it all back down and made herself believe the "Truth"... but her even saying *twice* that she doesn't want to be a JW is so huge and something she's never said before. So maybe she *does* still think the "Truth" is lies - I hope so.
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October 1st "Happy Birthday Jesus!" edition of the Watchtower next year then? :D
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Need advice and support :(
by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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Do you ever get the feeling in your relationship with her that YOU are the mother and SHE is the daughter?
No, I rely on *her* a lot.
Reversal of roles? Does your mum have a track record of you having to fix things, sort out her emotional outbursts, that sort of thing?
She has bad panic attacks, but I haven't had to help her out with one of those in ages (not there when they've happened.
But her getting SO angry does match up with this.
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Either your mom has been having doubts and was truly and deeply shocked by the realization of what they really teach, OR she is emotionally blackmailing you. (See what you've done? You've pulled me away from the truth which is my love and my life and now I have nothing left).
I think it's a mixture of these. I just kept saying "*I* didn't write that book - *I* didn't tell that lie."
She has been having doubts in that she knows New Light means the Old Light couldn't be the truth (the first thing she did after reading in the book was flip to the front and find out the publishing date - 1986 - and say it was a "long time ago" but I just pointed out that's younger than my sister and certainly younger than the *Bible*!), and she thinks the blood fractions/cell-saver is a contradiction (so wouldn't use them), and she was stumbled lots by the cliqueyness of our old congregation.
She's said a few times before that she's failed as a parent because I'm not in the Truth, so she's conditioned by the Society to take the blame herself - so I'm just really concerned cognitive dissonance will win when she calms down and she'll just say she was mistaken; she was already saying "Oh me and must both have misunderstood what mediator means" inbetween getting mad again and shouting.
I'm wondering if the "You've won!" is just a ploy to get me to shut up. I *am* going to shut up about it, and just see what happens when she's calmed down, but I don't know how to bring it up again at a later date to find out how she feels and if she *did* mean it.
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Need advice and support :(
by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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Thanks. :)
Has anyone else been through this? Or did anyone else react this way themselves?
After I saw Panorama I was so disgusted I didn't want to even touch WT literature, but I don't know why I thought my mum would be different.. but I'm just so shocked and upset how suddenly her mood changed and how I thought this was something she already knew about. :(
I feel like she's never going to forgive me, and I keep thinking "What if the WT is right - it'll be my fault she dies at Armageddon."
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by glitter inmy mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
the other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a jw popped over to see mum (they are good friends).
the daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks jws are right.
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My mum has been inactive for the best part of a decade.
The other week, the daughter of the woman my mum studied with to become a JW popped over to see mum (they are good friends). The daughter was saying how she probably won't get baptised herself as there is too much she doesn't agree with, but that she thinks JWs are right.
Conversation turned to a local elder finding out I celebrate Christmas (gifts ready to be sent were sitting out in the room last time he came) and I said I just felt like joining in with a cheerful festival in the winter (which is my real reasoning).
I said I only decided to go against JW things after careful research after seeing Panorama, and that I found out that some of their teaching wasn't Biblical, and I was very skeptical about the idea of New Light.
She asked for an example of the non-Biblical thing, and rolling out my favourite example, I asked who her mediator was between her and God = of course she said Jesus. Me *and* mum both shook our heads and said that's not what the Society says. I showed her proof from the "Worldwide Security" book, she was visibly shovked. She said she'd ask her mother.
Then she told me "Mum thinks the same as me - that it's Jesus", but that "She said she'll send you some info."
So today in the post, I got a letter made up of stuff copied out from the publications showing how it *isn't Jesus*, and also a picture I made when I was little that she'd kept where I'd drawn our block of flats where I lived as a little kid, and had copied something about "As for me and my household we shall trust in Jehovah" (cute, but it felt like emotional blackmail).
Mum was in a good mood at this point and said that she'd just copied it out and said what we already knew. I went into the kitchen and came back to mum rationalising that Jesus *still* was our mediator as well. I said that's not what they teach... and from then it all went to hell. I showed her from two WTs and she just got angry and said "It doesn't say he's not - show me where t says he's not!" and I went o get another copy of "Worldwide Security" (as we'd lent the other to the visiting daughter) and told mum where to find it. She read it but kept saying it didn't say that, she started calling me a liar and wouldn't give me the book. At this point I'm crying and finally she demands I show her where it says that - I read straight out of the book and hand it back. She reads for herself and then finally snaps at me - "Well you've done what Satan failed to do, you've got me out of the Truth!"
She started ranting saying I'd been on at her and on at her for years - this is the truth, since I found out the truth about the Truth in July 2002 I've wanted her to see it too. Then she said I was like it since I was little and she's only been putting up with me becausse of my illness and because I rely on her.
She said she wanted all the JW literature in the recycling - she was furious *at me*. I found myself trying to convince her not to throw her literature away because it was so out of control.
She says she doesn't believe in the Society's teachings anymore, doesn't even believe in God. All because of something I thought she already knew.
I was totally bewildered, I showed her what she already knew - what she's just read again in the letter from her friend! I know it was cognitive dissonance that made the friend just believe and write the *opposite* of her previous stand and I know it's cognitive dissonance that made mum try to believe that way too and not see the truth in the mags and book.
But this is more painful than I could possibly imagine - she's saying she doesn't want to live without the Truth so she hopes she dies! I hope I die - I feel so evil.
Part of me is thinking she's just punishing me for stopping being a JW, and she doesn't really believe what she's saying. I just don't know what to do now. I wanted her to be happy to stop believing the JW bullshit.
"Be careful what you wish for" is right. :(