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  Wrecking the Lives of Children

  by metatron in

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  i will never be able to say what i know in my heart.

  to those who need to hear it.. i am so sorry i ever tried to raise my child as a jehovah's.

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  Metatron, I totally agree with you, you get back what you show your children. I won't say mine are perfect but they were not raised as witnesses and they are pretty incredible. What's interesting is that just before things happened this summer and they started shunning me, my mother and my sister (both avid JWs) told me that my kids were the kindest and most respectful of all the grandchildren. I was actully amazed that they would admit that. I remember when my kids were little and my brother was criticizing how I was raising them, I told him to wait till they were grown and and then we would see. Well he hasn't seen or heard from his son in two years and his daughter just moved away to be with a wordly guy. I guess we can't compare notes though cause no one is speaking to me. els
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  Working hard at nothing all day

  by RubyTuesday in

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  im curious as to what some of you do for a living.

  im an office manager for a communications co. in central califonia.

  edited by - rubytuesday on 8 november 2002 17:47:45edited by - rubytuesday on 8 november 2002 17:48:25.

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  I'm a waitress at a Italian restaurant/pizzeria. I was the headwaitress till I had a huge blowup with the owner this summer and told him I wasn't going to do it anymore. My job is much easier now but I'm still working on my top ten waitresses pet peeves list. els
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  My 50th post!

  by els in

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  i don't know if i get anything for this but i had to do it tonight.

  i don't really have anything else to say except, you guys are great, i love this place despite the disagreements and i'm exhausted and really should get my butt to bed.

  goodnight all.

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  gumby, Thanks so much, but really you shouldn't have. No, really, you're too kind. Thanks anyway, but I'm sure someone else could use it more than me. els
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  My 50th post!

  by els in

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  i don't know if i get anything for this but i had to do it tonight.

  i don't really have anything else to say except, you guys are great, i love this place despite the disagreements and i'm exhausted and really should get my butt to bed.

  goodnight all.

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  I don't know if I get anything for this but I had to do it tonight. I don't really have anything else to say except, You guys are great, I love this place despite the disagreements and I'm exhausted and really should get my butt to bed. Goodnight all. els
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  1985 change in baptsm vows?

  by els in

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  i was just reading a post about the wts possibly downsizing and someone mentioned a 1985 change in baptism vows.

  i apologize, i don't remember who it was.

  85 is about when i started my meltdown about the witnesses so i don't remember much from then.

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  Thank you all. It seems like they accomplished a lot of things by changing the vows. They dumbed them down, maybe so kids that got baptized cause it was expected couldn't say they didn't know what they were saying.
  They cut out the part about the Bible and the Holy Spirit, so we can't say we follow the Bible not men. And the annoited are going to be all gone soon so we don't want to be mentioning the Holy Spirit. Covers their butts about who exactly is guiding our understanding doesn't it?
  And last but not least they join us at the hip to the all knowing, all powerful organization.
  Reading those older vows brought back some really odd memories for me. I was baptized in 1973 at the same time as my slightly older sister. I think now that I did it because she did. She was always the good one, the studious one who got good grades and always knew the answers at the meetings. You all know what I mean. I think if I had waited even a year or so I wouldn't have gotten baptised. I think I would have developed enough free thinking to resist. And I think my life would have been very different although there are a lot of things I wouldn't change even if I could. els
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  An Apostate Replies

  by SYN in

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  someone that i publically flamed (well, sort of) here yesterday sent me an email.

  much to my bemusement, they actually spoke to me & stuff.

  note that this is unheard of.

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  SYN, I love your picture. I've wondered many times who she was. Once I figured out you were a guy so it couldn't be you. lol. She looks like she'd be a hoot to hang out with. els
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  1985 change in baptsm vows?

  by els in

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  i was just reading a post about the wts possibly downsizing and someone mentioned a 1985 change in baptism vows.

  i apologize, i don't remember who it was.

  85 is about when i started my meltdown about the witnesses so i don't remember much from then.

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  I was just reading a post about the WTS possibly downsizing and someone mentioned a 1985 change in baptism vows. I apologize, I don't remember who it was. 85 is about when I started my meltdown about the witnesses so I don't remember much from then. What was this all about? Of course I really don't remember my vows from getting baptized at 13. Could someone fill me in? els
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  What is your zip code? Warning: FLUFF!

  by gilwarrior in

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  my goodness, more fluff.

  ok, so what is your zip code?.

  i live in las vegas.

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  12827, Upstate NY near Lake George and the Vermont border. els
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  OT: Taken in a stray dog...

  by glitter in

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  it's bonfire night (well it was) and mum saw a skinny mongrel (alsatian x labrador x collie type thing) scared half to death in the street and took him in at least just until the fireworks stopped.. we've reported him found with the police, and we're keeping him until his owner comes forward but it looks like he's been straying for a very long time - nails all worn down, really bad fleas, bad ears, starving hungry, stinky, all stuff like that.

  the lost dog police person didn't think it sounded like anyone would be looking for him unless he'd been lost ages.. he's very friendly, the only problem is he's chased the cats, and now none of them will come in (except one i actually went and picked up and brought upstairs).

  ok it's only been a few hours, but if they don't get on he'd have to go to the dog warden - and then he'd only have 10 days.... the youngest two were very very close to our dog that died last year, so they probably don't remember him at all or how nice dogs can be.

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  Right now I'm dealing with a stray cat. She's a pretty little orange and white tiger, maybe 4 months old. Really sweet. I've been feeding her on the porch but the nights are getting cold so I've been bringing her in. So far she's not getting on so well with Delilah our 16 year old white angora. Dolls (our nickname for Delilah) doesn't seem to mind her but every time she looks at the new one it starts growling. Dolls approached her today and she went straight up the drapes. Hopefully I can get her a spot with Adirondack Save a Stray. They find homes for them instead of putting them to sleep. I'd keep her but I really don't want to start over with a young one. Good luck with Ollie. He sounds like a great dog. els
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  what to tell mommy

  by madison149 in

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  for any of you that faded away from jws without getting df'd or da'd, what excuse did you give your close (jw) family members for why you stopped attending meetings?

  did you let on that you were having doubts about the organization, did you pretend to be just really spiritually weak, or were you just very vague, saying you were really busy or having heath problems, etc?

  i ask because my mom is forever on my case about attending meetings.

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  Madison, I am a firm believer in the slow fade, it worked for me for a long time. All I really ever said was that I didn't believe a lot of things anymore, and that I did not want to discuss it. I think this left them the chance to believe that at some point I might be ready to talk. We haven't had a close relationship but I guess something was better than nothing. Moving away would be great but that is still a couple of years away. It's funny but I wanted the relationship mostly for my kids, but now that they are adults and making their own decisions my family doesn't approve of them either. I haven't heard from anyone since the end of June when my son joined the army. I'm debating what to do about that. Anyway, good luck whatever you decide, and however it turns out you will find alot of support here. els