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New brother in here!

by defd in

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hey yall just wanted to say hi.

today is my 1st day here.

i hope this is a good site for jehovahs people.

New brother in here!

by defd in

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friends

hey yall just wanted to say hi.

today is my 1st day here.

i hope this is a good site for jehovahs people.

Elder espionage? Currently or in the past?

by ithinkisee in

i searched the board but didn't see much about it.. do you think there are any elders currently serving that are only serving, or only strove to be an elder so they could get damaging and damning info in order to bring the org down?.

i am seriously thinking it might be a good idea for me since all i have to do is reach out for it and i would be an ms again, and probably an elder within a year or two.

(scary, huh?).

95stormfront

Can someone post the link to this thread. Search isn't working for me right now.

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The New Light that burned me

by czarofmischief in

i was reading the 1975 thread, and considered posting on it, but since i wasn't born until the carter administration, i don't think i really can comment on it.

i can sympathize, however.. you see, i was raised in the truth.

rarely missed a meeting.

95stormfront

"YO MOMMA DID IT WITH THE U.N.!!!" For a fancy gift and a string of pearls, and a chance to feel like all the other old religions on the block. Which makes you the spiritual SON of a whore! She did it with an organization she said she despised... and claimed that God despised... all for a library card, she says, or for something a little richer - the promise of success in the NWO???

That is some great stuff.

I tried introducing the WT humping around with the UN to my JW relatives and I almost got my ass kicked for even implying such a thing could be possible. The whole folder of paperwork I had they dismissed without even being glanced at for fear it ws demon possessed.

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Will the average age of Witnesses go up with time?

by JH in

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my parents go to a catholic church, and they say that the average age is in the 60's.. at the kh, the average age is about 30, if you calculate the age of the children too.. theoretically, the average age of witnesses should go up with time .

if less and less people become witnesses, the average age should go up, just like traditional religions....no?.

95stormfront

I always remember that Queen song "It's better to burn out than to fade away," because it looks more depressing

Wasn't that was a line out of the song "Rock of Ages" by Def Leppard.

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Wanting to leave JWs & Spouse problems

by doinmypart in

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are you trying to fade or otherwise distance yourself from the org, but have a spouse that is a loyal jw?

on various posts i read about some that are staying in the org, or having a difficult time because their spouse doesn't understand the change.

i'll begin...my wife doesn't understand how i can turn my back on all the good things i've gotten from the org.

95stormfront

She had invited an elder to come over to talk to me and because I was trying to be the "nice guy" I talked to him. After several hours I was ready to have a nervous breakdown. In the strongest language possible I told my wife that I will never go to another meeting, and if she does not want to see me in a mental institution she will never speak my name to an elder again. I have had f******g enough!

My wife swears up and down that she never did\does that, but, every now and then, a couple of elders would stop by and talk to me, asking if there was anything they could do to help me get back to meetings. The very last time was during their inactive roundup from last year.

I remember my last encounter with them well.

I knew from experience that once they start talking, just like my wife used to be with me, they just won't let up until you agree to whatever it is they think you should be doing. And like you NY44M, I'd already had f****** enough. No more abuse was I willing to take. I chose to be proactive and push before they'd even get a chance.

After the brief pleasantries were exchanged, I looked them both squarely in the eyes and told them point blank, respectfully, that I was happy with the way my life was progressing, that any interference from them in the form of shepherding was neither required nor expected, that I wished to be left alone, and that should I have need of them or the organization in the future that I knew where to find them.

Haven't seen them since.

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college education=spiritual weakness?

by twvsnt in

hi i'm twvsnt and i've been a witness for 3 years now.

im glad this site exists.

i've been meaning to speak to fellow witnesses who are more open-minded.

95stormfront

In fact, among the first surgeons who practice non-blood surgery procedures are Jehovah's Witnesses.

I know this thread is old a methusalum but I can't help it.......

Can you back this up.......

An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

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What I remember from 1975

by Big Dog in

since i am sort of late to the party this has probably been beaten to death and if it has just kick this thread to the curb.

i was 11 years old in 1975 and i remember being scared silly the whole year.

i mean there was so much hype about it and the tension in the air was so thick it was unreal.

95stormfront

I was eleven at the time also and I do vaguely remember hearing of some apocalyptic group thinking the world would end at that time.

I think I was more interested, though, in sharing new found "wood" with Lisa or Sherri, a couple of girls I sat next to in class .

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Wanting to leave JWs & Spouse problems

by doinmypart in

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are you trying to fade or otherwise distance yourself from the org, but have a spouse that is a loyal jw?

on various posts i read about some that are staying in the org, or having a difficult time because their spouse doesn't understand the change.

i'll begin...my wife doesn't understand how i can turn my back on all the good things i've gotten from the org.

95stormfront

Go to the meetings as you can, be nice, don't rock the boat. Don't share your personal views with the people there. She wants to be there with her husband, not alone. Fill the need. Don't badmouth the Society to her. Over time she will accept what you want to do, and you will be able to go less and less as you like. You can share with her, in an informative way the things that you have realized and feel about the WTS. This should be done in an atmosphere of normal sharing between spouses. Keep negativity out of it. let her know that you are just thinking for yourself.
3. Once she is comfortable with things, help her to understand that this isn't for you, and you want to do other things with your free time. Nothing negative. Just that you need your time too, like she needs her time and she wants the Meetings. You don't stop her from the Meetings, and she shouldn't try and stop you from what you want to do. Mutual respect for one another.

Although I think this advice is very good, I think everyones mileage from it will differ. Mine was definitely different.

I tried going to meetings with my wife, being nice, not rocking the boat, just filling the need for me to be there with her. Sitting there listening to the same old veiled threats and tired rhetoric wore on me like a piece of chalk screeeeching across a chalkboard. My attitude progressed from conciliation and appeasing, to me being angry and scowling the morning before and the whole time sitting there at meetings thinking of all the other things I'd rather be doing than sitting their faking fellowship, to actually being sickened by even walking into a KH. At one time, I was literally barfing all the way from the car to the KH door.

Didn't matter to her....I made it to the meeting!

This had the oposite affect her coming to understand that I wanted something different. It didn't garner acceptance from her of what I wanted to do, rather, it reinforced the idea in her mind that I was going because I "knew that was where I was supposed to be" and that anything that produced in me a negative feeling about the meetings was Satan attacking me trying to drag me away from the truth.

Time and time again I had to tell her I have no desire to live a debauched life, wasn't "coming out of the closet", didn't plan on leaving her, was not abandoning a belief in God.........I just wanted to be Me!!!!

Normal sharing of feelings between us as spouses was fine......until any issue that dealt with the WT came up. I tired quickly of her heaping so much unfounded praise on the WT organization all the while ignoring the gaping holes in their worldview, how they were making me feel, and how they were beginning to make me increasingly uncomfortable. To her, my feelings didn't matter; all she wanted was conformity to the images she wanted to project and what was expected as a male JW in good standing reaching out for privileges.

It got to the point where I had to tell her that I could no longer define where her worship of the organization ended and where it began with worshipping God.

I remember one night in particular. She'd been going on and on grilling me for 3 or 4 hours straight about why I didn't want to go to meetings anymore and me repeating my same reasons to her over and over again, she telling me how I could do what I want to do and still make time for the meetings, me telling her as politely and PC as I could that I had no desire to go to meetings anymore, didn't care much for the rigid structure of WT dictated scheduling, eventually getting so sick to my stomache by the whole ordeal that I was driven to driviing the porcelain bus.

Coming out of the bathroom, wiping my mouth, unperturbed she began again...........and I snapped !!!!!!!

My tactful display had run it's course. My patience was at an end.

These events actually happened roughly 12 years ago. The exact details, though I'm sure I didn't get physically violent, are sketchy at best. I remember the anger inside of me boiling over and seeing red. I remember my muscles tensing, my lips moving, a few words to the effect of "this is MY LIFE........" being spoken, the initial terror and final resignation on her face messaging "you are hearing his final words on this issue".

Only then did she get the message that although I wouldn't stop her from going to the meetings, guilt trips, veiled armageddic threats, or force on her part wouldn't compel me to go any further. Only then, did I get the mutual respect I'd so craved the two years prior.

There were some tense moments in our home after that, usually occuring around meeting time when I knew she was doing everything she could to not ask or insist that I go with her. Those moments have turned into non-events now as she gets ready for meetings and comes and goes in her WT activities as she pleases.

I've come full circle from the barfing raving lunatic I know she thought I'd become, to the person I'm comfortable and satisfied with being. The personal growth I've realized has enriched and surprised both of us........I'm doing things I'd never thought possible or thought I'd have a chance to do when I was a dub. One hobby I've developed, flying single engine aircraft, had a couple of JW door knockers who knew me so green with envy that the next week they had a couple of elders over asking me questions about it.

Me and my wife share what I like to describe as a "comfortable truce" now. I've demonstrated that I had no intention of leaving her, if she wanted to continue in her WT activities I'd respect that and support her, but that I expect the same and will not tolerate the devalueing of things I like and hold dear to do just because they may be "frowned upon" by the congregation or the WTS.

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Wanting to leave JWs & Spouse problems

by doinmypart in

jw
friends

are you trying to fade or otherwise distance yourself from the org, but have a spouse that is a loyal jw?

on various posts i read about some that are staying in the org, or having a difficult time because their spouse doesn't understand the change.

i'll begin...my wife doesn't understand how i can turn my back on all the good things i've gotten from the org.

95stormfront

She says I want to be selfish and that I shouldn't put my wants and rights ahead of those in the congregation.

Ahh....the old "suppress your own thoughts and needs for the good of the congregation and Jah's organization" guilt trip.

Perhaps the congregation has a responsibility and even a mandate from Jah himself to respect the wants and rights of individuals within instead of trying to force them to always conform to the strictest conscious of any one individual or collective within the organization.

Surely there is a scripture that admonishes to "not be a busybody in other peoples affairs".