last night we had our midweek meeting.
the bible reading was from "who is doing jehovah's will....the part where they asked who was the fds.
i thought because of the past sept. wt, every hand would go up....all you heard were crickets.
Legacy;
The reason, IMHO, the elder and his wife didn't raise their hands was because they were too damned embarrased to further the illusion of the Fab 8. When the 8 GB GUYS in charge, one day "out of the clear blue sky", announce that they, and they alone, are THE FDS, it made all long time JW's cringe; whether the the long time JW's admit it or not. Nothing screams CULT like making the unilateral announcement; "WE 8 men are THE FDS! Do not question us on this." Just saying!
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what would you say are the best questions to ask a jw which they will not be able to answer and may make them question their beliefs?.
what (if you are a former jw) made you question the "truth"?.
Like Terry said yesterday regarding JW's--the "TRUTH"(tm);
If it's "TRUTH", why does it need to change (nulite)tm
If it needs to change, was it ever---the "TRUTH"?
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the definition of insanity boils down to expecting success by repeating actions which cause failure.. .
jehovah's witnesses are expected to prove their loyalty to the organization by believing and practicing what they are told.. does this lead to success or failure?.
ask the thousands of loyal believers who were led to expect armageddon in 1914, 1925, 1975!.
Terry:
Great post as usual. The reason we are all here on this forum is because we are no longer deceived! Just playing out the 'string' until the family sees ttatt!
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Some religious leaders are concerned, but most are confused. Just saying!
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we've all heard the old saying:.
any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.
in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.
I thought I was in the "TRUTH" (tm), but I was really in the "GUESS" (nulite tm). Just saying!
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i asked my mother( still very much active).
she said books made from '86 and before would not be online.
so we both looked at her physical revelation book and it was made in 88 so it should be there.
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we've all heard the old saying:.
any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.
in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.
Spot on Terry;
You have articulated, pretty much verbatim, the discussion I had with my, still active, JW wife about 5 years ago. I asked her "How can we glorify God when we preach things that are not TRUTH?"
I also went through the Vietnam War fiasco in the late 60's. Did no prison time but was sentenced to 2 years hospital work and 5 years probation. I lived in the LA area at the time and many of the brothers were starting to receive hospital sentences down there.
I have been a JW since I was 4yo and am now 67. Went inactive about 5 years ago but checked out mentally after 1995 generation change. Many of my JW friends are "concerned" about me not being active any longer. When they try to appeal to me by saying, "But Steve, you were raised in the TRUTH (tm)." I just reply: "No, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness." Just saying!
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i have been noticing in recent threads that people have been observing that the zeal has been waning among r+f jws.
i have observed that most zealous, die hards have gone to foreign lands, or foreign language congregations, leaving the others in the stagnant english congregations.
when you think of it, if you cared at all about bringing people into the cult, you probably would be preaching where it is fertile, the foreign field.
AlphaMan--couldn't agree more. Pick a date, tie it to some ridiculous "Bible" chronology multiplication formula with "overlapping" numbers, throw a dart at the calendar, get all JW's hyped up BUT don't be too specific. JW's NEED a date for 7 to 8 million non-JW's to be bird meat.
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hi ; we got a text from one of our children today .
her and her brother are basically are disowning us .
we haven't gone to meetings for a while .
Nothing SCREAMS CULT like shunning family, friends or former members of an organization just because the leadership says so. When I was an elder, I never df'ed anyone just because I thought it was too cult like. Just saying!
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nelson mandela has passed on.
he was a symbol of hope and peace to many.
has his life and achievements meant anything personal to members of jwn?.
Sounds like most posters here would not agree with my wife who thinks that Nelson Mandela would have been better off if he had become a JW like his first wife.
Just a small comparison I thought of; Nelson Mandela came out of prison after 27 years with forgiveness and reconciliation in mind. Joe Rutherford came out of prison after only 18 months with revenge in mind. Just saying!
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