Posts by Descender

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Would You Feel Differently About Capital Punishment If..

by Englishman in

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..it was carried out in public?.

being somewhat intrigued with the mini henry v111 series just finished on the telly, which showed a lot of public beheadings, i wondered how many folk think this sort punishment should be viewable by all?

would it show justice actually being done?

Descender

I imagine that it would be hard to know your own exact thoughts on capital punishment unless something terrible had happened to someone close to you. It's easier to brush off capital punishment as being wrong when the offender commited crimes that didn't effect you or anyone close to you.

Take the shooters that plagued the D.C. area last year. I can see how someone might be against CP against those two because the crimes were probably far removed from that person's world and they didn't know any of the victims.

On the other hand, what if someone broke into your house, kidnapped your 5 year old daughter, molested her and then killed her. Personaly, I would want him dead, I wouldn't want a quick death either, I'd want a long torture, followed a slow painful death, preferably administered by me.

I think that the closer to home a crime happens to be, the more likely a person will be in agreement with CP.

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What do you have to do when you know a pedo? I need your input.!!

by avengers in

i have a question.

what do you have to do when you discover someone is a pedophile, someone confided in you, and you know it's true, and the whole picture comes together .

but beware!

Descender

A hidden video taped confession would help send him to jail and would get the info out there to everyone who wouldn't have believed otherwise and might get him disfellowshipped as well (wouldn't count on that one though).

Invite him over, broach the converstaion again and tape him without his knowledge. Then, he's screwed.

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Man vs. Woman

by somebody in

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if the wbts inc have done anything, they have insutled men just as they have insulted women.

while they implied that women are evil and always trying to induce man into evil, they have implied that men's brains are in their genitals.

in that that view, the wbts are part of this world.

Descender

Reminds me of the time I met with the elders the second time I got disfellowshipped. They were trying to get me to admit to having sex with a girl. I said, no I hadn't had sex with her even though she was half naked. one of the elders said, "oh come on, none of us here would have been able to control ourselves in that situation, you expect us to believe that you could."

I never admited to anything and got disfellowshipped anyway for unclean conduct.

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In The Mood For A Joke?

by Englishman in

glenn miller is really fed up.

he's suffering with his feet, you see.

he has corns, bunions, you name it his feet have got it.

Descender

Ok, here's a few. You might have heard some of em.

A little boy asked his mother one morning, "mommy, are humans like robots that can be taken apart and put back together?"

His mother replied, "no, why would you ask that?"

The little boy said, "well, I just heard daddy talking to one of his friends on the phone and he said that he screwed his secretaries ass off last night."

An old man goes to the doctor.

"Help, Doc. I just got married to this 21 year old woman. She is hot and all she wants to do is have sex all day long."

"So what's the problem?"

"I can't remember where I live."

A man and wife were celebrating their 50-year anniversary, so the man bought his wife a $250 see-through nightgown.

Later that night she was getting ready for bed and realized the nightgown was still in the box downstairs. Walking naked through the house, she passed her husband who said, "My word, for $250 they could've at least ironed it!"

A kid comes home from school with a writing assignment. He asks his father for help. "Dad, can you tell me the difference between theory and reality?"

His father looks up, thoughtfully, and then says, "I'll demonstrate. Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Then go ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Then come back and tell me what you've learned."

The kid is puzzled, but decides to ask his mother. "Mom, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Robert Redford?"

"Don't tell your father, but yes, I would."

He then goes to his sister's room. "Sis, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with Brad Pitt?"

She replies, "Omigod! Definitely!"

The kid goes back to his father. "Dad, I think I've figured it out. In theory, we are sitting on two million bucks, but in reality, we are living with two sluts."

A state trooper pulls a car over for speeding. In the car is an old lady who is hard of hearing and her husband is with her.

When the trooper asks the lady for her driver's license the lady responds, "eh, what did he say?? "

The old man speaks up as he says, "HE NEEDS YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE."

A few minutes later the trooper comes back to the car and says, "Ma'am I see you're from Florida?"

The old lady comments, "eh, what did he say??"

The old man speaks up as he says, "HE SEES YOU'RE FROM FLORIDA."

The old lady nods her head, "Yup."

The trooper mutters, "Boy, one time, I got the worst piece of ass I ever had in Florida."

The old lady replies, "eh, what did he say??"

The old man yells, "HE SAYS HE THINKS HE KNOWS YOU!"

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Have You Had Interesting....

by Frannie Banannie in

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have you had any interesting travel experiences?

traveling to exotic lands, etc.

Descender

I live in the US, but I've done a bit of travelling. I spent about a month in England, and all the northern European countries, and Russia. I spent about a month in New Zealand and Australia, which was fun. I also spent time in Mexico around the Mayan Riviera and a few weeks in the Virgin Islands and Jamaica.

They were just vacations, nothing to exciting. I saw the sights, met the people and basically had fun. As far as which places I liked best, I'd have to say in order of my favorite to least would be:

(1) New Zealand - One of the most beautiful places I've ever seen along with nice people.

(2) Virgin Islands - In the 2 weeks I was there I stayed on St. Thomas and visited St. Croix, and St. John. The people were nice, the scenery was great and being able to walk right out the back of the house we were staying at and go snorkeling in the crystal blue waters whenever we wanted was a plus.

(3) Australia - The people weren't always that nice, but caving deep in the Blue Mountains was fun along with exploring the rain forests close to Cairns and visiting a cool hippy town in the mountains, and scuba diving with sharks in the Great Barrier Reef was an experience.

(4) Northern Europe and Russia - The people in most of these countries were very nice. It was a cruise, so I didn't really get to see all the places that I wanted, but I did go to the capital of all the northern European Coutries and spent a few days in St. Petersburg, Russia. It was fun, but it was such a whirlwind trip being in a new country every day that it wore me out.

(5) England - This trip was fun, but it was right after the cruise through northern Europe. I stayed in London for 7 days, explored the city for about 4 of those days and then for the remainder visited the town of Bath and Stone Henge and such.

(6) Mayan Riviera - This is one of those trips that I have fond memories of since it's just a memory, but it was just an average trip while we were there. My wife and I wanted to take a special trip for our first anniversary, which was around the first part of June. The water was beatiful and crystal clear and the accomidations were nice. But everywhere we went we were attacked by hagglers which got kind of old after a few days. And since it was right after US school had been let out, we couldn't walk 5 feet without running into another drunk sixteen year old kid who'd come down for a school trip or something. We did get to see a lot of Mayan ruins and did some snorkling in a cave in a jungle which was cool, but still had a lot of tourists.

(7) Jamaica - Nothing special really. I should have saved my money on this one. Most of Jamaica is in poverty and the housing is in horrible conditions. Run down shacks are everywhere and most of them, which are made of plywood and tin have a sattilite dish sticking out the top.

Maybe I had a bit of a bad experience, but 5 minutes after I got off the plane a guy walks up beside me and sticks a bag of pot in my pocket and says, "that'll be $40." I said no thanks and gave it back. The guy at the airport that was working for the resort we were going to be staying at asked if my wife and I would each like a Red Stripe beer, he left for a second and came back with beer, I took a drink and he says, "that'll be $12, it's $6 a piece." I said "fine" and gave him his money.

It was that way for the rest of the trip, we'd just come across people on the street who didn't have anything to sell and they'd say, "I really want to sell you something, let me see what I can find and would pull out a small Jamaican coin or something and say $5. If we wanted to take a taxi back into town, which was 5 miles away, it was $15 there and $15 back. As far as I could tell, if you're an American, you're just viewed as walking greenbacks. Everyone expected a tip, a tip to get a seat at a resturant, a tip for the server of course, and a tip for the guy that calls the cab, and I wasn't going to tip the cabbie because geeez, $15 for 5 miles is good enough.

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Hilarious 10-Commandments criticism from Slate

by Phantom Stranger in

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(i have added italics where i felt like it :)

moore's law .

the immorality of the ten commandments.

Descender

As far as Jesus breaking one of the commandments, if I remember correctly, he did heal a sick person on the sabbath, therefore breaking that commandment. And the pharasees were in an uproar about that and he said if you were a shepard and one of your sheep got loose on the sabbath wouldn't you go and find it.

I don't have a bible at work or anything and it's been years since I've done any heavy reading in it, but I do remember that.

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Marrying Young

by Descender in

something has been bothering me as of late.

my younger brother, who is 17 years old plans on getting married right after he turns 18 this upcoming year.

i have quite a few problems with this, but he thinks that he knows it all at his age.. i'm concerned for several reasons.

Descender

Thanks for the replies. My brothers girlfriend is currently 19. I think that it is slim pickings in the surrounding congregations like Stacy Smith mentioned, therefore the girls start scoping out the younger brothers so they can get an early lead on cultivating the upcoming crop I guess.

Anyway, I think I'll do like Lady Lee mentioned and make an earning to debt ratio chart for him using average prices of things in the area just to show him what kind of lifestyle changes he's in for. He is used to living in our parents house, which is far above the average witness residence, mainly because my father has never been a witness and was very driven to provide a good life for his family.

My parents are both against him getting married; my father more so than my mother, but my brother has told them that, "he's going to go through with it no matter what and if they are not willing to help then maybe he'll just disown them." This is his first girlfriend, first time holding hands, first time kissing, first anything as far as girls go, which seems like a waste of some good youth to me.

Since my brother has not had normal teen-age socialization for three years or so now, he still has the mindset of a 14 year old and expects everything to fall into his lap without him having to work for it. Any educational or life goals he used to have are gone, replaced by one goal: getting married. Maybe I'll ask him to make himself a list of goals that he wants to complete within ten years and tell him to only include himself in his goals, so they can be personal.

Well, it's a start

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Fitting In

by Descender in

did anyone else have a hard time fitting in with non-witnesses when you left the witnesses?

i never had a hard time fitting in with witnesses since i grew up as one, i was always popular in witness circles and could usually strike up an easy conversation with someone as long as i knew they were a witness.

but i just can't find any common points of interest with anyone anymore since i've been disfellowshipped twice and then finally faded away a year and a half ago.

Descender

Actually it didn't take that long to get DF'd twice. My father, who isn't a witness, had bible studies with some of the various eldersearly on in my mother's conversion and actually kicked one of the more, older crotchety elders out of his house because the elder kept on telling him that he wasn't progressing fast enough and doing enough to be a real witness.

The elder my father kicked out of the house was on the judicial commitee both times I was DF'd and he was the main factor in getting me df'd the first time. The second time I was df'd he told me, "we may eventually be able to forgive you if decide to come back, but Jehovah might not be able to."

I was first df'd at the age of twenty. I was actually feeling badly about some fornication that I'd done 6 months previous and with the help of a goody goody witness girlfriend I had, I decided to tell on myself and repent to the elders. So I called the whole thing together, talked to the elders and then they didn't think I was repentant, so they df'd me. That was really hard back then when my whole world revolved around the witnesses.

I tried hard and got back in within 6 months. Got in trouble again within 6 months after my reinstatement and then got df'd again. Took me 5 years to come back that time and then another 1 year to fade away after that. So I guess all in all it took 7 years to get df'd twice and then to fade away.

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Marrying Young

by Descender in

something has been bothering me as of late.

my younger brother, who is 17 years old plans on getting married right after he turns 18 this upcoming year.

i have quite a few problems with this, but he thinks that he knows it all at his age.. i'm concerned for several reasons.

Descender

Something has been bothering me as of late. My younger brother, who is 17 years old plans on getting married right after he turns 18 this upcoming year. I have quite a few problems with this, but he thinks that he knows it all at his age.

I'm concerned for several reasons. He has been raised as a witness by my mother since he was born and thinks that this is the right religion at the moment although he can see a flaw here and there which might culminate in him finding his own brain one day. He got babtized when he was 14 which was the first mistake, although I made the same mistake at his age.

When he was 15 years old he met a witness girl who was a few years older than him and they decided that they were in love. The only people in my family that are witnesses are my mother and my brother, I was a witness for 20 something years but I've since faded away. His girlfriend is a fourth generation witness and her whole family are witnesses and have been for the past sixty years. Her brothers are all ministerial servants or elders as well as her father.

As weird as it seems, her family wasn't to fond of my brother because he wasn't a pure blood witness, but I guess they are willing to make exceptions. I find the fact that his girlfriend is such a strong witness to be a hinderence when it comes to him eventually being able to think for himself and get out. And since I'm faded, her family might convince him that my wife and I are bad association and should be shunned.

Right about the time he was babtized, he decided that home schooling was the way to go and quit public school. Now he is blessed with horrible socialization skills and the only friends he has are a few of the older brothers at the hall, his girlfriend and her family, and his only voice of reason, my wife and I. there are no younger ones in his hall and the younger ones in his girlfriend's hall are all married which might be why she really wants to get married.

He got so caught up in his relationship and with going out in service that he slacked off in his homeschooling studies and is now considering getting his GED because he's still doing 10th grade school work. He quit his last job a few months ago and still has no job, so he has no money. His future wife to be makes about $18k before taxes. He wants to go to college and get a job, or so he says but he's not really looking. But the thing they definitely know for sure is that they want to get married during the spring of next year.

The witnesses seem to be all for it. If they do get married then I don't forsee him going to college because they'll find that they can't live the lifestyle they want on her measily salary. He'll have to get a job that an 18 year old without job skills and no experience can get. Since he's socially handicapped and doesn't like conversing with "worldy people" he will probably work for a brother doing janitorial work or landscaping. If he decides that the witness religion isn't for him, his wife will quickly turn him in and divorce him. Or if he stays in, her family may eventually convince him not to come around me anymore since I'm "the debil".

Anyway, it bothers me. It hasn't happened yet, so I want to change my above prediction to him going to college, figuring out that he doesn't want to be a witness and then making a huge success with his life with whatever he chooses.

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Fitting In

by Descender in

did anyone else have a hard time fitting in with non-witnesses when you left the witnesses?

i never had a hard time fitting in with witnesses since i grew up as one, i was always popular in witness circles and could usually strike up an easy conversation with someone as long as i knew they were a witness.

but i just can't find any common points of interest with anyone anymore since i've been disfellowshipped twice and then finally faded away a year and a half ago.

Descender

Did anyone else have a hard time fitting in with non-witnesses when you left the witnesses? I never had a hard time fitting in with witnesses since I grew up as one, I was always popular in witness circles and could usually strike up an easy conversation with someone as long as I knew they were a witness. But I just can't find any common points of interest with anyone anymore since I've been disfellowshipped twice and then finally faded away a year and a half ago.

My wife and I, who have both faded, went out to eat with a group of people that were once witnesses but have since been disfellowshipped. During conversation, I brought up some interesting facts about the witnesses such as the days of the Judge, vaccinations, demonization of aluminum foil, and other crazy stuff about the mansion and organ transplants and the changing of light.

I guess that they didn't like anti-witness subjects, they all said nothing and stared silently at the table, so I changed the conversation. I later found out that all four of the ones that we went out to eat with are going back to the meetings and trying to get reinstated.

I want to tell people about witness history for some reason, I can't do it with my mother and brother because they are still in. My father, who isn't a witness, doesn't really care. And I've talked my wife's ear off about it so much she's probably tired of hearing about it. And people that have never been witnesses don't understand why I want to discuss such a boring subject.

Oh well, I'm rambling. I can talk to my dogs about it. I just find it hard to talk to people anymore. I kind of wish I had still had all the friends I had when I witness, but it turned out that out of all the friends I thought I had, the only one that was true was my wife.