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  Can God exist outside of time

  by setfreefinally in

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  some say god exists outside of time and space therefore he can predict the future.. any comments?

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  Euphemism

  Setfree... I'll reply the same thing here that I was going to say in reply to your PM... I don't believe that orderliness enters into it.

  If it were a matter of God making predictions, then the universe would have to be orderly (or, more accurately, deterministic) to make such predictions possible.

  The point of God being outside time, however, is that He's not predicting... He's not considering all the possibilities of the future... He's seeing what actually hapens at all points in time.

  If these seems improbable to you, well, that's your prerogative, of course. I should add, however, that God's ability to see the future has nothing to do with His ability to control it. Let's say that you're watching fish in an aquarium... does that mean that you can automatically also control what they do? Of course not!
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  Can God exist outside of time

  by setfreefinally in

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  Sorry, Alan, I realized that I forgot to address your previous post. You wrote:

  If God exists outside this worm, then he can, in his own sort of "spacetime", observe any part of the worm at any "time" he chooses.

  But what I'm arguing is that God is not in some "sort of spacetime." I'm arguing that He (or It, if you prefer) is beyond such a notion. Time only applies to matter, after all. God is not matter. He (It) created matter.

  along with a whole bunch of other stuff that predestinationists believe

  I just wanted to clarify that theologically, I don't believe in predestination. Assuming that God is outside time, then what God knows or does not know is essentially irrelevant to human beings, so predestination is a meaningless concept. I do, however, believe in the possibility of prophecy. From a metaphysical perspective, there's probably not much difference; but I figured I'd clarify the point just in case.
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  Can God exist outside of time

  by setfreefinally in

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  Alan.. it's meaningless to say that the universe is static. Static means unchanging; change involves time; and time is part of the universe. So with all due respect, I would argue that your reasoning is circular.

  Free will is based on causality, and causality is based on time. So by definition, the knowledge of a hypothesized observer outside time cannot affect free will.

  I'm happy to let this debate drop if you wish; you've obviously done your homework on the subject and made up your mind. But it might be better to keep the matter to the subject at hand, rather than expanding into general statements about Christian belief.
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  another one of those... goodbyes

  by MrMoe in

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  no instant messenger, no emails, nothing.

  well... it is complicated.

  the entire time i was married i went to a friends house one time.

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  I haven't been on the board for long, so I can't really say I know you; but I do know that emotional healing should take first priority in life. You have to do what's right for you. All happiness to you.
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  Growing up a gay Jehovah's Witness (My Life Story)

  by m0nk3y in

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  i feel the need to express how i feel and felt about my life as a gay man.

  i was brought up from birth as a jehovahs witness.

  this has played a major part in my life and it has been a real struggle to get past.

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  Josh... that was very brave of you to post that. I was just thinking of the enormity of what the Society does to so many children... it's truly disgusting. Thank you for sharing your story.
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  When was your last kiss?

  by JH in

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  when was the last time someone kissed you?.

  i can't remember, it's been too long...

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  LOL @ happyout!

  Hm... last night, when my girlfriend went home. She got out of work almost an hour ago, so I should be getting another one any minute now. :)

  Seriously... sorry you're on a dry spell, JH. :(
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  Disunity among Apostates.

  by refiners fire in

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  you know, in the year and a half ive been here i have certainly noticed that personal conflict flourishes among the apostate/ ex dub major players (and not so major players.

  ) consider the irrepairable conflict between our simon and herr steinhaug and his band of norwegian major players.

  consider the relatively recent bill bowen war on this board.

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  Thanks for the links, RF! I had found Penton and COJ's posts through their profiles, but those turned up some more info that I hadn't found.
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  Disunity among Apostates.

  by refiners fire in

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  you know, in the year and a half ive been here i have certainly noticed that personal conflict flourishes among the apostate/ ex dub major players (and not so major players.

  ) consider the irrepairable conflict between our simon and herr steinhaug and his band of norwegian major players.

  consider the relatively recent bill bowen war on this board.

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  Euphemism

  Oh, and another question... what is this you are referring to about Franz and Penton knocking down Bowen? Please pardon my newbie ignorance.
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  Disunity among Apostates.

  by refiners fire in

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  you know, in the year and a half ive been here i have certainly noticed that personal conflict flourishes among the apostate/ ex dub major players (and not so major players.

  ) consider the irrepairable conflict between our simon and herr steinhaug and his band of norwegian major players.

  consider the relatively recent bill bowen war on this board.

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  Euphemism

  Why exactly do we have to be united? If we were united, we would essentially be agreeing with the WTS when they claim that even after we leave, the WTS is still the main force in our lives.

  Some ex-dubs have devoted themselves to exposing the child molestation scandal. Presumably, they'll try to work together with Bill Bowen. Others are concerned with publishing Bible commentary, without the sponsorship of the existing Christian denominations; in that case, they might find that Ray Franz and Commentary Press can help them. Others join evangelical groups. Others may not be really concerned with religious activity anymore.

  So why on earth do we need to be united?

  P.S. We were posting at the same timer, refiners... agree with you 100% about the pain/purging thing.
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  Stereotypical ELDERS

  by tazmaniac in

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  a while back we had a fairly sucessful posting history on stereotypical witnesses.

  how about stereotypical elders.

  i will start the ball rolling with two:.

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  Thanks for your reply, undercover... I didn't mean to be critical. I've just known very few truly evil people... and it's easier for me to laugh at the elders than be angry at them. But I didn't mean to interfere with everyone else's fun. :)