I am very curious about this in light of the "two witness" rule. For example, if a husband goes to an elder and says "I suspect my wife . . . ." is he counseled to leave it to Jehovah unless he has two witnesses and those two witnesses have to come forward without being asked? (Is this an accurate summary of the two witness rule?) Also, is a suspected adulterous relationship more likely to be overlooked if it is a brother rather than a sister (assuming only one is in a congregation)? If it is a "couple" within a congregation, is he likely to be more lightly punished than she? Is adultery more likely to be uncovered by one of the party's being overcome with guilt and confessing? Or is it more usual for someone else to do the unconvering?
kgfreeperson
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As a JW did you ever date in secret?
by Victorian sky in.
did you ever date a dub-ya or a nondub in secret while active?
i did, with a ms who said we had to keep our relationship on the down low 'cause he was being considered for the big e and he didn't want the brothers and the c.o to quesiton his personal life, now that's code for 'i don't want the elders to know i'm making out on non-meeting nights!
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CBC TV, "THE FIFTH ESTATE" RERUNS 1 HOUR SHOW OF JW's AND CHILD ABUSE
by needs_lots inhello to all my friends, .
the fifth estate will be rerunning their story on the problems within the jw faith on "sept 3 /03 at 9pm.".
i know that some of you missed it last january, so now you will have a chance to see the program, they will be following it with an update on my trial and how the jw's are coming after me for costs.
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kgfreeperson
It will be wonderful for those of us who are not Canadians! Thanks, Simon!
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Non-believers......... Do they "bash" Believers too hard?
by gumby ini have been beginning to wonder if those that have come to disbelieve in the bible as god's word, and those who believe in no god at all............use the wrong verbage here.
is it disrespectful to those who believe.... for non-believers to say things against what believers hold so precious?
many have moved on, or..... mentioned they do not post their true feeling here on certain subjects for fear they will be harrassed by others here.. first off....i'll admit i'm a guilty one for doing this very thing but have been wondering if i'm out of line as well as others who post similar ideas in the same type of manner.
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kgfreeperson
This thread has been tremendously helpful to me and I'd like to thank you all. I am very reactive about religion and, while I think I am tolerant of the views of people who are religious (in just about any way), I have to accept the fact that I am not. And you have helped me see one of the ways I signal I am not--when I say "humans have a hard time seeing themselves as ordinary, simply another life form, not part of a divine plan, but just part of life" I set myself apart, I suggest that I am somehow not one of those "needy" humans who can't see reality for what it is. That is very condescending. Sometimes I see the inability to (or perhaps it is merely a disinclination to) yearn for the divine as a learning disability. It is just not present in me and I find it very hard to believe (have faith) that it is real for other people and that that reality isn't a delusion or aberration. And I have to remind myself: just because I can't believe it doesn't make it not so or wrong. At any rate, thank you for the discussion.
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Simon
by KGB inplease remove me from this site, i am tired of the sarcasm and the insults simply because i choose to believe in god after leaving the borg.
i am beginning to believe that the borg was a better place than this site because i never once endured what i have had to endure here with certain individuals.
it seems that it is ok for some to criticize others here but when you stand up for what you believe in the shit just gets deeper.
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kgfreeperson
I'm not Simon, but think about it. How would he "delete you from this site." You put in the url and here you are. I guess he could take away your right to post, but why would he need to do that? As has been mentioned, nobody is forcing anybody to post. So, don't like the site? Delete it from your bookmarks; don't type it in. But to demand that Simon do something he can't do (keep you from reading the discussions) does seem more attention-seeking than solution-seeking.
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What would you do? Need advice
by jwbot inok, so, i am 21 years old, a full time student, and i work part time to support my habit (education).
my s/o with whom i live, is also a student and works part time.
we all work/play/go to school in the area that we currently live in.
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kgfreeperson
Amenamenamen! don't do the house. You really don't want to isolate yourself from school and friends and that is what will happen.
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Cancer tests came back 'normal'
by Ravyn inso that is a major relief.
still means they don't know what the problem is, but cancer was one of my worst fears.. tomorrow (wednesday, august 27th) is the arbitration in that stupid lawsuit and it will determine the next 20 years of our lives.
mars, the new moon, my energies are pretty scattered right now and i am just trying to get thru it an hour at a time.. thank you for all the support you have given me thus far and what you will continue to give.
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kgfreeperson
I've been thinking about you Ravyn--and I'm glad to hear that your worst fear can now be put aside. Will be thinking good thoughts that the arbitrators are wise (i.e., see it your way) and things will be better soon.
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Do You Try To Make People Feel Comfortable Around You?
by minimus insince this board is filled with so many different personalities, do you ever go out of your way to try to make people feel good?
do we ever consider that we might make some persons feel unwanted because of constant criticisms?
i've communicated with one poster recently that's become discouraged over how some people constantly berate or disparage.....if you knew you were hurting somebody's feelings, would you do so intentionally?
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kgfreeperson
Yes! I do! I like to be liked! I like to be with people who aren't feeling defensive and unhappy, so I am careful not to do things that might make them feel defensive and unhappy! And I'm old enough (did I mention I just had a birthday?) that I don't think that's a bad thing.
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I've been robbed
by wasasister inno, actually, i was corrected by the friendly police officers who responded to my 911 call.
i was burggled.
(did i even spell that right?
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kgfreeperson
I once went out my back door and found evidence that someone had been trying to break in. I immediately sat on the floor, I was so shaken! And then really angry (how DARE they!) So I can only imagine the waves of bad feelings you must be dealing with. I am so sorry and hope you can feel at home in your home again before too long.
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How Does One Just Go Back To Family & Friends After Leaving The "Truth"?
by minimus inif you've left all your family and friends for "the truth" and then you realize how everything you did was for nothing, how do you just go back, especially, if it's been 25 years???
my wife is going thru this dillema right now.
my daughter just went to a family member's birthday party for the 1st time yesterday and my wife feels as though she is unable to be involved because "what will the family think of her after all the birthdays and celebrations" she missed?
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kgfreeperson
I'm so pleased to hear that she's gotten to this point! Congratulation! I know you walked on egg shells for a while. Does this mean that you're both fully "out?"
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******* Morons
by SixofNine innews break
08/24/2003 17:07:21 est
autistic boy dies during wis. service
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kgfreeperson
A person certainly could.