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  What is the WTS's motive?

  by careful fader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

  i don't think it's money .

  the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

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  Amac said it nicely:

  In conclusion, it cannot be denied that the WT brings in a ton of money and buys and sells a lot things to continue to make more money. However, there is nothing to back up your claims that the GB use this money for their personal wealth and betterment. Just because you find some dollar amounts in a half assed research attempt on the internet does not prove anything. As stated with all these properties, there are logical and practical uses for them. The WT has a record of being very shrewd in their real estate purchases....big deal.

  Clearly, we know the money is there, the question is, who is benefitting from it? No one seems to know, so if there is something rotten in Brooklyn, it's the world's best kept secret. Prove financial misconduct at the top of the organization and the WT will tumble down and shatter into pieces. If you can't, you've got to wonder (at least I do) whether this perhaps is/was God's organization and it's simply been mishandled by a few people.
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  To whom belongs all the Watchtower's wealth?

  by JH in

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  i know this won't happen, but who would get all the money and the buildings and the lots, if the watchtower society would close down?

  how many people would benefit from this?.

  are there any figures on how much wealth the watchtower has accumulated over the years?

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  I'm not sure what your point is Gerard. In Patterson NY, there are many single family homes that the Society owns near the Educational Center, serving as temporary or permanent residences. I'm not sure who gets to stay in there vs staying in the compound.
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  What kind of music do you like?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what kind of music do you like?

  what groups do you listen to?.

  do you just listen to music from your generation only or do you also like music from the past?.

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  Kingdom melodies. I tried classical, but I found that the marches inspired me to go and fight wars.
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  What is the WTS's motive?

  by careful fader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

  i don't think it's money .

  the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

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  gcc2k

  Gerard, I applaud the research, but like Amac I will not jump to any conclusions. The property you listed is 61 Adams Street, which is apparently a 3 story building, likely a residence, in Brooklyn. While it's interesting that they paid over 2 million for this property when we read about brothers sitting out in fields sharing Bibles, I don't see anything about riding horses. Neigh, I say. :)
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  REGI stockbroker report shows military connections for Rand Cam

  by bebu in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i haven't seen this posted before here.

  it's rather a newer document (feb 19, 2003), so it may not have made it onto your radar screens yet.

  suprised i found it, myself.

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  gcc2k

  "Facts" are that they are still registered with the SEC. as owners.

  Is there a way to prove that they are still a current shareholder?
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  Digital Camera Info.

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been using my father's digital camera since he bought it last year.

  it's a hp 618 digital camera.

  i use it alot, even too much, so i was thinking of buying my own.

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  Oh...I forgot. I know Sony makes a lot of cute, easy to use cameras that are very popular. But my suggestion is to follow Rubadub's advice...stick with those companies that make camera optics like Canon, Nikon, Minolta etc. If they don't make regular cameras, it might not be a good idea to invest in their digitals.

  Not really applicable in this case. The better Sony models have Carl Zeiss lenses, arguably some of the best optics out there. Panasonic is another example, using Leica optics.

  The best buy on the market at the moment has to be the 4Mp Nikon Coolpix 4500, it's $399 after a $200 rebate in many places.
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  What is the WTS's motive?

  by careful fader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

  i don't think it's money .

  the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

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  Carefulfade, welcome. You are echoing similar questions that I (and many others before me I'm sure) have raised. If we accept that this is not God's organization, what really is the motivation for them to claim to be such? I'm not sure I buy the power trip reasoning. Is it good to be CEO of a company, controlling everything? Sure. But along with that role comes a huge salary, stock options, guaranteed employment, etc. If there is in fact something rotten in Brooklyn, it's got to be about money. Kingdom Halls are built with volunteer labor and financed by interest bearing loans from the Society (profit). They are later remodeled with additional loans (more profit) and then later sold (still more profit), at which point a new, larger, nicer hall is built, again with volunteer labor and, you guessed it, more loans. So where does all this profit go? It's alleged that the Society has billions of dollars in fixed and liquid assets. I believe that. But, who has access to spend that money, and how? It's got to be the world's best kept secret if no one has been able to figure this out in all these years of people falling away.
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  Ever been to a therapist?

  by teejay in

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  sorry if the title came across as a "minimus question," but after posting to one of joelbear's threads, i thought of my experience with therapists.

  all together, i've spent between 20 and 30 hours in counseling on two separate occassions and, i'm happy to say, both of the counselors and both of the experiences remain very good memories.

  i found out early on that for them to do their job, you had to be bluntly honest so that's what i did.

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  Having a close friend or spouse you can confide in is often a good equivalent. For those on the fence, you can't go to your friends because that is apostasy, but you probably don't have any non-JW friends that you can talk to, at least not anyone who would understand.
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  Ever been to a therapist?

  by teejay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if the title came across as a "minimus question," but after posting to one of joelbear's threads, i thought of my experience with therapists.

  all together, i've spent between 20 and 30 hours in counseling on two separate occassions and, i'm happy to say, both of the counselors and both of the experiences remain very good memories.

  i found out early on that for them to do their job, you had to be bluntly honest so that's what i did.

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  Were you able to work out the marriage?
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  Former elder Louis Angiuano found NOT guilty

  by Nathan Natas in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/news/stories/20030517/localnews/318666.html

  trial jury clears elder.

  acquittal brings molestation case to speedy end.

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  This is an interesting story for a couple of reasons. Clearly his actions were wrong, but do they classify as sexual abuse? The jury didn't think so, and based on the single transcript, neither do I, because the girl and her parents were able to intercede. What I find really interesting is that the elders called CPS themselves. I wonder why? It would also be interesting to find out the parents' status in the congregation. Perhaps this is an indication that changes are being brought about?