There is no need to assume Iesous would have followed a categorizing of scriptures to the effect of discounting the book of that one he - in the memory of his disciples - he had termed a prophet.
hannes
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Josephus in "the Jewish War" remarks on the nature of eternal life
by kepler inthere is a corresponding topic on science and the immortal soul that reminded me of something that i had encountered in the 7th chapter of josephus's history of the roman campaigns in judea, "the jewish war".
one version of this is available in penguin classics, for example.
"among the jews are three schools of thought, whose adherents are called pharisees, sadducees and essenes respectively...".
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ARE THERE "TWO HOPES".....earthly and heavenly FOR TRUE CHRISTIANS?
by wakingup60 inthe last time i went to the kh was memorial 2013 and the elder giving the talk.
spooke of "two hopes" for christians...i sat there and wondered how did i. ever believe such a thing!..its not even in the bible!!!
!that did it for me!.
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hannes
The hope is in God, therefore from heaven, or heavenly. And the Coming One is the Son of Man. If coming, though, there will also be a remaining, as the scripture states: He will be with humankind, and we shall be his peoples.
The others of his disciples he would also bring in, were we from the nations. Regarded as though we are Israel, his royal and holy tribes, remaining and growing in Him.
Neither Him nor the Father we have seen. Our trust suffices, sustained we don't know how.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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hannes
Good and valuable thoughts in this discussion. I would love to contribute, if I could. I wait and listen.
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The Fullfillment of Prophecy about the last days in The 1st Centruy
by cassuk11 inthe last days were about the destruction of jerusalem and the temple in the 1st centruy.
the messiah was talking to those who asked the question , he replied tot hem and did not lie or mislead.he told them not us that soem would still be alive when he returned.
they fully expected it andwere waiting.he did not lie .he cmae back for his chosen ones and took them back where they serve in the kingdom .most of the apocolyptic language used were symbolic metephors randt akenform the old testamant.
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hannes
@ EndOfMysteries
Interesting posts. Enjoyed to read from you. :-)
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Who is your favorite "Apostate"? Who helped you see the truth about "The Truth"?
by minimus ini would have to say that ray franz was the biggest influence for me.. when i first got on this board, a poster by the name of james, a former bethelite and organization heavy, helped me understand a lot of the inner workings in the upper echelons of the society.. .
and of course, farkel's common sense approach was (usually) helpful..
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hannes
My favourite Apostate was Paul. He helped me to see the ungodliness in being nice and smooth and corruptly not standing for freedom and truth. The prophets were dissenters. Christ aggressively exposed the falsehood and hypocrisy of leaders of religion.
Uprightness is sought for, not partialism.
The kingdom of God requires more of a human than religion teaches: to become helper and shepherd of a new humankind in receiving the grand promises, of which the holy writings as the hearts and hopes of sensible and feeling humans are filled with. If there were not such hope in us, I believe we would not be able to live on like we do.
I may be wrong, but trust that God and his Christ are not.
In fact, I hesitate only a little to say that the Father as the Son abstain and stand apart (apo-state) from most business that is being termed religion, church or organisation (however spiritual their claims may be). Of course, God's spirit needs not separate but vindicates and wins over any falsehood.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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hannes
Zound
I can well appreciate your objection. I was trying to connect some thoughts I derived from scripture in response to the initial question. In my view, all things including us come from God and exist through and by God. Then all thinking humans have faith, because all reality is from the One we live by, and Christ being the all-uniting.
The end of it, according to holy writing, is God being all in everyone. This way putting an end to all separation and distinction and ranking and hatred, love being the all-remaining force and concept.
And my thought was, that this is what we are made to after we suffered and endured the enmity stemming from mistrust, fear, and jealousy among us humans.
Each of us is wonderful enough that quite a measure of trust in the good seems justified to me.
In fact, the good is much more amazing (and trustworthy) than what may be hurtful and terrifying. That is what faith and trust is about. (Of course there are zillions of other tracks of thought we can follow, all being right and perhaps better than mine.)
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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hannes
The word faith is translated from the Greek pistis (as to believe is from pisteuein). Its core meaning is trust (and trusting). We trust in someone who we have experienced as trustworthy. So trust builds on experience and is a decision to grow into a relationship or even oneness of mutual connectedness. The experience of life and hope and trust in good things to come is one we all have. We breathe, we drink, and eat, feel joy and contentment.
There is no knowing of God nor image beyond ourselves, what we know within, and aside from our fellow humans and what we perceive from them. If we live by God, all that touches, moves, and fills us, if we perceive it as true, is from God, even such things as the nourishment from the milk of the mother for a little child. All that we are is from what we are made up and built from, growing in trust or mistrust, depending on what we got and how we weigh it.
The disciples perceived and came to know and trusted. We all do rely not only on our own but also on the experience of humans we come to know. We observe and listen and perceive through them as we do first through ourselves. It is all by God as God is perceived by the Word, that is Christ, the Entrusted One by God, and we to be with him along with all trusting and having trusted and come to trust in the love that surpasses and is far and beyond all religion that is merely human in the narrow and - sad to say - corrupt sense of the word.
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Josephus in "the Jewish War" remarks on the nature of eternal life
by kepler inthere is a corresponding topic on science and the immortal soul that reminded me of something that i had encountered in the 7th chapter of josephus's history of the roman campaigns in judea, "the jewish war".
one version of this is available in penguin classics, for example.
"among the jews are three schools of thought, whose adherents are called pharisees, sadducees and essenes respectively...".
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hannes
Kepler,
the Darius in Daniel is said to have received the kingdom over the Chaldeans, which shows that he was given it, obviously by Cyrus. After his short reign over the districts of Babylon he died, and according to the numerous cuneiform contract tablets, Cyrus assumed the title King of Babylon in addition to King of Lands not before towards the end of his first year (after the accession year). The rulership over Babylon had been given to a certain Ugbaru, who with much probabability is identical with Darius (the Mede) of Daniel.
Furthermore, Ezekiel refers to Daniel, in order to support his authority, which certainly was questioned by many due to his "collaboration" with the Babylonian Empire that had destroyed God's Temple and the Holy City. The later (fable and fairy tale type) additions to Daniel indicate (in addition to the strong internal evidence) that the original portion was quite a good bit older.
I personally cannot think of many books that impressed me greater than this of Daniel. And not so much because of the detailed prophecies, but because of the great vision and the impressive personality of this important man, who seemed to have been rightly honoured so much by God and men.
The Writiings of the Apostles and Disciples would somehow hang in the air, if Daniel were not the person I perceive him to have been. They would have all been wrong.
More wrong can be found with the critics. They know little - it is very ancient material we are dealing with - but assume much. Their ridicule is more telling then their insistance on absent evidence.
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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things
by confusedandalone innow in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.
spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.
watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.
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hannes
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The justice of God I see in the things that are to come: the restoration of all things. Not less than this is promised. And an accounting follows necessity.
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The Bible and it's promise of Heaven and various other things
by confusedandalone innow in no way am i trying to discredit anyones beliefs or make fun, but once you get to heaven what is the plan once you get there.. of course, we always overlay extremely physical things upon the experience of heaven... milk and honey... ruiling over the earth etc... truthful the whole idea sounds so boring / mundane /monotonous.
spending all of eternity serving god by carry messages here and there?.
watching humans... i guess spending time with family that are also there and reminiscing.
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hannes
I thank you Tammy.
What I tried to say is: They are the same. For God: counted and known and regarded as Israel, his people. For a human: they are innumerable and diverse, from all backgrounds, collected out of dispersion.
In the same book there is talk of one saying he is a Jew, but then told he is not. Here it is different: They may not know what they are. God knows and and gives them honour.
There are no two people or crowds, but one. It is the same.