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  Reading exJW then JW facebook sites can make you go crazy!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  it's absolutely amazing what exactly the same event can do to the jw community and the exjw community.. the difference is that the jw community does not think and has the expected response... we think and, of course, have the exact opposite response as the jw's.. take for example the march km with the "will this be the last?

  here are some comments from a jw site:.

  wow it comes like that in the km?

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  Actually BOC, he then proceeded to say that the fds probably "senses" that the end is close and then that's why they asked that question...

  So he could not handle his cog-dis and gave it the JW spin on things...
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  Reading exJW then JW facebook sites can make you go crazy!

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's absolutely amazing what exactly the same event can do to the jw community and the exjw community.. the difference is that the jw community does not think and has the expected response... we think and, of course, have the exact opposite response as the jw's.. take for example the march km with the "will this be the last?

  here are some comments from a jw site:.

  wow it comes like that in the km?

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  Jajaja omg they would go insane!! Lol
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  Reading exJW then JW facebook sites can make you go crazy!

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's absolutely amazing what exactly the same event can do to the jw community and the exjw community.. the difference is that the jw community does not think and has the expected response... we think and, of course, have the exact opposite response as the jw's.. take for example the march km with the "will this be the last?

  here are some comments from a jw site:.

  wow it comes like that in the km?

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  It's absolutely amazing what EXACTLY THE SAME EVENT can do to the JW community and the exJW community.

  The difference is that the JW community does not think and has the expected response... we think and, of course, have the exact opposite response as the JW's.

  Take for example the March KM with the "will this be the last? We don't know."

  Here are some comments from a JW site:
  
  Wow it comes like that in the KM? Father Jehovah only you know because you tell us beforehand my heart just skipped a beat

  Wow there's no doubt that Jehovah by means of the FDS is telling us all so let's take the opportunity to thank Jehovah and be aux pios.

  (One with cog dis or just maybe someone who thinks a little... feels bad for having common sense):

  Brothers read the context of the KM it is not good to reach conclusions, more important it is good to prepare our hearts for the things coming sorry don't want to offend anyone with what I say...

  then... two comments later... someone else who thinks a little:

  Remember 1975, we can't speculate or reach conclusions of what has not been said... what is said is this - pray, preach, make our faith stronger and obey those who take the lead...

  This guy asked the question but with a different twist than exJW's...

  The slave asks WILL THIS BE THE LAST MEMORIAL and answers: we don't know. Well if they don't know why do they ask????? attention those who have discernment...

  Anyways... if someone likes to do a sociology study of JW's and their honest reactions to what is said... It can be done now, through Facebook...

  The reactions are there... The KM teases the JW's and they go crazy over that...
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  95% complete table of vaccination references from 1920 to 1954

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  wilton, m.d.negativo7golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9doctorpositivo8golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9-10a.m.

  wilton, m.d.negativo9golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.10-12l.w.

  lamson, ph.d.negativo97golden ageapril 12, 1933, p.440generalnegativo98golden agenovember 8, 1933, p.90generalnegativo99golden agenovember 22, 1933 p.122generalnegativo100golden agedecember 20, 1933, p.178-179generalnegativo101golden agejanuary 17, 1934, p.242generalnegativo (positivo para las transfusiones)!102golden agemarch 14, 1934, p.372generalnegativo103golden agejune 6, 1934, p.568generalnegativo104golden ageaugust 1, 1934, p. 692generalnegativo105golden ageaugust 29, 1934, p.766generalnegativo106golden ageoctober 10, 1934, p.31generalnegativo107golden agejanuary 30, 1935, p.269generalnegativo108golden agemarch 27, 1935, p.409generalnegativo109golden agemay 8, 1935, p.493-494generalnegativo110golden agemay 8, 1935, p.505generalnegativo111golden agejuly 3, 1935, p.634generalnegativo112golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.792generalnegativo113golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.793-796dr.

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  It's quite an interesting story. I will try to write it up and post it soon... It might even change (slightly) some of the articles that exJW's have written on JW's and vaccination. It will be very thorough, so it will be long...
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  Ok... so Mom did the robotic JW thing and people in my home country know about me...

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  so.... i went out all day today... just wanted to get away from the sh!tstorm that was created yesterday.

  anyways... i come home like an hour ago, and my dad told me that mom called my aunties in central america and told them stuff about me, and also she told the elders of her hall... the elders want to meet with me, but i think that it will be at my house.

  i am curious about your ideas about:.

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  I am moving out tomorrow... My mom's gonna keep asking my dad if he was affected by my "apostasy" until my dad loses his patience (he has a ridiculously long fuse, but it's not eternal)... My dad has told her, "My relationship with God is personal" and that's not enough... Even if my dad swore loyalty to the GB (falsely of course), my mom would still not be satisfied... It's ridiculous but that's the way things are... She's on full cult personality mode and will not stop until the whole family is destroyed...

  I am less stressed in that I am happy I told my mom, and I know my dad will keep the peace at home... He is a master at changing topics...

  I still need to talk to a counsellor, but I am trying to just relax...
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  old literature

  by lildev in

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  whoot whoot.

  whole family i da'd last summer now my daughter.

  it is such a huge relief.

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  I'll take anything you got!! PM me please!
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  95% complete table of vaccination references from 1920 to 1954

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  wilton, m.d.negativo7golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9doctorpositivo8golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9-10a.m.

  wilton, m.d.negativo9golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.10-12l.w.

  lamson, ph.d.negativo97golden ageapril 12, 1933, p.440generalnegativo98golden agenovember 8, 1933, p.90generalnegativo99golden agenovember 22, 1933 p.122generalnegativo100golden agedecember 20, 1933, p.178-179generalnegativo101golden agejanuary 17, 1934, p.242generalnegativo (positivo para las transfusiones)!102golden agemarch 14, 1934, p.372generalnegativo103golden agejune 6, 1934, p.568generalnegativo104golden ageaugust 1, 1934, p. 692generalnegativo105golden ageaugust 29, 1934, p.766generalnegativo106golden ageoctober 10, 1934, p.31generalnegativo107golden agejanuary 30, 1935, p.269generalnegativo108golden agemarch 27, 1935, p.409generalnegativo109golden agemay 8, 1935, p.493-494generalnegativo110golden agemay 8, 1935, p.505generalnegativo111golden agejuly 3, 1935, p.634generalnegativo112golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.792generalnegativo113golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.793-796dr.

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  I found the literature at archive.org

  I found dozens of places where medicine and many medical practices are spoken bad of.
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  95% complete table of vaccination references from 1920 to 1954

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  wilton, m.d.negativo7golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9doctorpositivo8golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9-10a.m.

  wilton, m.d.negativo9golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.10-12l.w.

  lamson, ph.d.negativo97golden ageapril 12, 1933, p.440generalnegativo98golden agenovember 8, 1933, p.90generalnegativo99golden agenovember 22, 1933 p.122generalnegativo100golden agedecember 20, 1933, p.178-179generalnegativo101golden agejanuary 17, 1934, p.242generalnegativo (positivo para las transfusiones)!102golden agemarch 14, 1934, p.372generalnegativo103golden agejune 6, 1934, p.568generalnegativo104golden ageaugust 1, 1934, p. 692generalnegativo105golden ageaugust 29, 1934, p.766generalnegativo106golden ageoctober 10, 1934, p.31generalnegativo107golden agejanuary 30, 1935, p.269generalnegativo108golden agemarch 27, 1935, p.409generalnegativo109golden agemay 8, 1935, p.493-494generalnegativo110golden agemay 8, 1935, p.505generalnegativo111golden agejuly 3, 1935, p.634generalnegativo112golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.792generalnegativo113golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.793-796dr.

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  Do you want to see the pictures of the quotes? Is there a way to share an entire album here???
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  95% complete table of vaccination references from 1920 to 1954

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  wilton, m.d.negativo7golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9doctorpositivo8golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.9-10a.m.

  wilton, m.d.negativo9golden ageoctober 12, 1921, p.10-12l.w.

  lamson, ph.d.negativo97golden ageapril 12, 1933, p.440generalnegativo98golden agenovember 8, 1933, p.90generalnegativo99golden agenovember 22, 1933 p.122generalnegativo100golden agedecember 20, 1933, p.178-179generalnegativo101golden agejanuary 17, 1934, p.242generalnegativo (positivo para las transfusiones)!102golden agemarch 14, 1934, p.372generalnegativo103golden agejune 6, 1934, p.568generalnegativo104golden ageaugust 1, 1934, p. 692generalnegativo105golden ageaugust 29, 1934, p.766generalnegativo106golden ageoctober 10, 1934, p.31generalnegativo107golden agejanuary 30, 1935, p.269generalnegativo108golden agemarch 27, 1935, p.409generalnegativo109golden agemay 8, 1935, p.493-494generalnegativo110golden agemay 8, 1935, p.505generalnegativo111golden agejuly 3, 1935, p.634generalnegativo112golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.792generalnegativo113golden ageseptember 11, 1935, p.793-796dr.

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  	Revista	Fecha, Páginas	Nombre del Autor	Positivo/Negativo?
  1	Golden Age	October 13, 1920, p.22	General	Negativo
  2	Golden Age	March 16-30, 1921, p. 362	H.E. Coffey	Positivo
  3	Golden Age	Abril 27, 1921, p. 440-442	G. Del Pino, Glasgow	Positivo
  4	Golden Age	Julio 20, 1921, p.634-636	Mrs. W. R. Burzacott	Negativo
  5	Golden Age	September 14, 1921, p. 754	H.A. Rutschour, D.C.	Negativo
  6	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.8	A.M. Wilton, M.D.	Negativo
  7	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.9	“Doctor”	Positivo
  8	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.9-10	A.M. Wilton, M.D.	Negativo
  9	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.10-12	L.W. Putman, M.D.	Positivo
  10	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.13-14	J.J. Wentzel	Negativo
  11	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.14	W.M. Pugh	Negativo
  12	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.15-16	Mrs. Mary E. Burnet	Positivo
  13	Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.16-17	A. Murray, M.D.	Positivo
  14	Golden Age	October 12, 1921 p.17	Mrs. R. Walter Maygrove	Negativo
  15	Golden Age	January 18, 1922, p.247	W.A. Lawrence	Negativo
  16	Golden Age	February 15, 1922 p.314	G. Del Pino	Positivo
  17	Golden Age	March 15, 1922, p.378	Mrs. Andrew J. Holmes	Negativo
  18	Golden Age	April 12, 1922, p.428	"A Subscriber"	Negativo
  19	Golden Age	August 30, 1922, p.760	A. P. Richmond	Negativo
  20	Golden Age	October 11, 1922, p.19	J.W. Gilbert, V.L.D.	Negativo
  21	Golden Age	January 3, 1923, p.211-214	Mrs. Andrew J. Holmes	Negativo
  22	Golden Age	January 17, 1923, p.240-244	Walter H. Hadwen, M.D.	Negativo
  23	Golden Age	January 17, 1923, p.244-245	Walter F. Moser	Negativo
  24	Golden Age	April 11, 1923, p.421	General	Negativo
  25	Golden Age	November 7, 1923, p.80	General	Negativo
  26	Golden Age	November 7, 1923, p.87	F.R. Freer	Negativo
  27	Golden Age	July 30, 1924 p.687	Isaac L. Peebles, M.D.	Negativo
  28	Golden Age	October 8, 1924, p.17	General	Negativo
  29	Golden Age	October 8, 1924 p.18	Geo F. Herde	Negativo
  30	Golden Age	October 8, 1924 p.19	London Daily News	Negativo
  31	Golden Age	January 28, 1925, p.260, 261	General	Negativo
  32	Golden Age	January 28, 1925, p.266	Doctors H.M. Shelton and B. Stanford Claunch	Negativo
  33	Golden Age	March 11, 1925, p.373	F.P. Millard, D.O.	Negativo
  34	Golden Age	April 8, 1925, p.424	General	Negativo
  35	Golden Age	April 22, 1925, p.451-455	Dr. R. A. Gamble	Positivo (Confiamos en el Dr…. Electronic Radio Biola)
  36	Golden Age	May 6, 1925, p. 492	"A Bible Student"	Negativo
  37	Golden Age	July 25, 1925, p.683	General	Negativo
  38	Golden Age	December 16, 1925, p. 174	General	Negativo
  39	Golden Age	March 24, 1926, p.397	General	Negativo
  40	Golden Age	May 5, 1926, p.500-501	Isaac L. Peebles, M.D.	Negativo (Y lo ligaron a cuestiones Bíblicas)
  41	Golden Age	August 25, 1926, p.749-754	F.L. Wilson	Negativo
  42	Golden Age	September 8, 1926, p.792-796	G.R. Clements	Negativo (trató de ligar a la Biblia también)
  43	Golden Age	October 6, 1926, p.17	General	Negativo
  44	Golden Age	October 20, 1926 p.41	General	Ambiguo
  45	Golden Age	May 18, 1927, p.529	General	Negativo
  46	Golden Age	August 10, 1927, p.712	General	Negativo
  47	Golden Age	August 24, 1927, p.749-750	General (“Contribuído)	Negativo
  48	Golden Age	January 11, 1928, p.237	General	Negativo (y con dibujos/fotografías)
  49	Golden Age	April 4, 1928, p.425	General	Negativo
  50	Golden Age	May 2, 1928, p.484	General	Negativo
  51	Golden Age	May 2, 1928, p.494	General	Negativo
  52	Golden Age	July 25, 1928, p. 695	G.W. Emery	Negativo
  53	Golden Age	October 31, 1928, p. 73	General	Negativo
  54	Golden Age	November 28, 1928, p.147	Dr. B.H. Jones	Negativo
  55	Golden Age	January 23, 1929, p.260	General	Negativo
  56	Golden Age	February 6, 1929 p.301	General	Negativo
  57	Golden Age	April 3, 1929, p. 430, 431	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  58	Golden Age	April 17, 1929, p.467-468	Herbert M. Shelton	Negativo
  59	Golden Age	May 1, 1929, p. 502-503	General / Reprinted – Dr. H. R. Rickards	Negativo
  60	Golden Age	July 24, 1929 p. 691-692	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  61	Golden Age	July 24, 1929, p. 692	General *(First article explicitly stating it was THEIR view)	Negativo
  62	Golden Age	October 16, 1929, p.47-48	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  63	Golden Age	October 16, 1929, p.48	Tenison Diane, M.D. (Editor agrees)	Negativo
  64	Golden Age	January 8. 1930, p.240-242	F.R. Freer (England)	Negativo
  65	Golden Age	February 5, 1930, p.299	General	Negativo
  66	Golden Age	February 19, 1930, p.341	General	Negativo
  67	Golden Age	April 2, 1930, p. 427-429	General	Negativo
  68	Golden Age	April 2, 1930, p. 439-440	Frank W. Rogers (New Jersey)	Negativo
  69	Golden Age	July 9, 1930, p.653	General	Negativo
  70	Golden Age	July 23, 1930, p.688	General / Wilbur J. Murphy, M.D.	Negativo
  71	Golden Age	August 6, 1930 p.707-713	General	Negativo
  72	Golden Age	September 17, 1930, p. 814	General	Negativo
  73	Golden Age	November 12, 1930 p.119	General	Negativo
  74	Golden Age	November 26, 1930 p.150	General	Negativo
  75	Golden Age	January 21, 1931, p.270	Dr. P. L. Clark (Illinois)	Negativo
  76	Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.291-293	General *(This article made it wrong for Christians)	Negativo
  77	Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.293-295	Charles A. Patillo, VA	Negativo
  78	Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.295-300	H. Sillaway (Tennessee)	Negativo
  79	Golden Age	February 18, 1931 p.328	General	Negativo
  80	Golden Age	April 1, 1931, p.436	General	Negativo
  81	Golden Age	June 10, 1931, p.587	General	Negativo
  82	Golden Age	July 8, 1931 p.651	General	Negativo
  83	Golden Age	July 22 1931, p.693-694	Dr. P.L. Clark	Negativo
  84	Golden Age	August 19, 1931, p.749	General	Negativo
  85	Golden Age	August 19, 1931, p.754-755	General / Reprinted from The Quest	Negativo
  86	Golden Age	December 9, 1931, p.147-148	Louis S. Sigfried * (Real vaccination disaster)	Negativo
  87	Golden Age	February 3, 1932, p.273	General	Negativo
  88	Golden Age	March 16, 1932, p.374	General	Negativo
  89	Golden Age	March 16, 1932, p.375	General	Negativo
  90	Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 407	Emmanuel M. Josephson, M.D.	Negativo
  91	Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 408	General	Negativo
  92	Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 408	Martin Friedrich, M.D.	Negativo
  93	Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p.409	General / William C. Ostander (Famous drawing)	Negativo
  94	Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p.410	General	Negativo
  95	Golden Age	June 22, 1932, p.601-602	Albert W. Peacock	Negativo
  96	Golden Age	March 15, 1933, p.370	General / R.W. Lamson, Ph.D.	Negativo
  97	Golden Age	April 12, 1933, p.440	General	Negativo
  98	Golden Age	November 8, 1933, p.90	General	Negativo
  99	Golden Age	November 22, 1933 p.122	General	Negativo
  100	Golden Age	December 20, 1933, p.178-179	General	Negativo
  101	Golden Age	January 17, 1934, p.242	General	Negativo (Positivo para las transfusiones)!
  102	Golden Age	March 14, 1934, p.372	General	Negativo
  103	Golden Age	June 6, 1934, p.568	General	Negativo
  104	Golden Age	August 1, 1934, p. 692	General	Negativo
  105	Golden Age	August 29, 1934, p.766	General	Negativo
  106	Golden Age	October 10, 1934, p.31	General	Negativo
  107	Golden Age	January 30, 1935, p.269	General	Negativo
  108	Golden Age	March 27, 1935, p.409	General	Negativo
  109	Golden Age	May 8, 1935, p.493-494	General	Negativo
  110	Golden Age	May 8, 1935, p.505	General	Negativo
  111	Golden Age	July 3, 1935, p.634	General	Negativo
  112	Golden Age	September 11, 1935, p.792	General	Negativo
  113	Golden Age	September 11, 1935, p.793-796	Dr. Chas T. Bes (Ohio)	Negativo
  114	Golden Age	November 20, 1935, p.115	General	Negativo (Menciona Siervo de Jehova)
  115	Golden Age	December 4, 1935, p.141-142	General	Negativo
  116	Golden Age	January 15, 1936, p.229	General	Negativo (Vacunas para la rabia en perros)
  117	Golden Age	January 15, 1936, p.232-234	Mrs. F. E.H.	Negativo (Carta)
  118	Golden Age	January 15, 1936, p.235	General	Negativo
  119	Golden Age	February 12, p.294	Nathaniel Anderson, Open Door / General	Negativo
  120	Golden Age	May 20, 1936, p.543	General	Negativo
  121	Golden Age	September 9, 1936, p.784	General	Negativo
  122	Golden Age	September 23, 1936, p.813-814	General	Negativo (Pasteur the fake!)
  123	Golden Age	May 5, 1937 p. 507	General	Negativo
  124	Golden Age	June 16, 1937, p.601-602	O.R. Moyle	Negativo (SMOKING GUN! The Golden Age denies the benefits of vaccinations)
  125	Golden Age	July 28, 1937, p.697	General	Negativo
  126	--------- N/A	From September 1937 to February 1938	NA	NA
  127	Consolation	February 9, 1938 p.12	General	Negativo (Insultan a Brasil)
  128	Consolation	April 20, 1938, p.26	General	Negativo
  129	Consolation	May 4, 1938, p.18	General	Negativo
  130	Consolation	June 1, 1938, p.21	General	Negativo
  131	Consolation	November 16, 1938, p.9	General	Negativo
  132	Consolation	April 19, 1939, p.4	General	Negativo (*Nada cientifico de la prevencion de la Rabia)
  133	Consolation	May 31, 1939, p.3-10	General	Negativo (Tiene fotos, extremadamente extenso articulo), no tiene textos Biblicos….
  134	Consolation	April 3, 1940, p.27	* Not about Vaccination but Aluminum	May explain reduction in articles about vaccinations.
  135	Consolation	December 25, 1940, p.19	*Not about vaccination but Blood Transfusions	Positive towards BT
  136	Consolation	January 7, 1942 p.2	General	Negativo (Defilement of blood)
  137	Consolation	January 21, 1942 p.14-15	General	Negativo (Serum killed him)
  138	Consolation	June 24, 1942, p.21	General	Negativo
  139	Consolation	July 22, 1942, p.12	General	Negativo (No evidence that vaccination has reduced smallpox)
  140	Consolation	March 27, 1946 p.18-22	General	Negativo
  141	Awake	February 22, 1947, p.12	General	Negativo
  142	Awake	May 22, 1947, p.15	General	Negativo
  143	Awake	June 8, 1947 p.19	General	Negativo
  144	Awake	June 22, 1947 p.6	General	Negativo (vaccination is a hoax)
  145	Awake	January 8, 1948, p.22	General	Negativo
  146	Awake	08-Jul-50	General	Neutral / Ambiguo
  147	Awake	08-Sep-50	General	Neutral
  148	Awake	July 22, 1951, p.31	General	Negativo
  149	Awake	22-Nov-51	General	Negativo (serums are poison)
  150	Awake	January 22, 1952, p.19	General	Ambiguo *Importante porque dice que está bien que la corte imponga vacunas, pero no está bien que la corte imponga transfusiones.
  151	Awake	08-May-52	General	Ambiguo (La vacuna mató a niños en 1935)
  152	Awake	22-Nov-52	General	Positivo!!
  153	Watchtower	December 15, 1952, p.764	General	De negativo a positivo!!
  154	Awake	January 8, 1954, p.24	General	Gamma Globulin is wrong – vaccine is OK, but not available now.
  155	Awake	June 8, 1954, p.30-31	General	Positivo
  156	Awake	June 22, 1954, p.8	General	Positivo (Vacunacion de niños por la UNICEF mostrado como un “achievement”)
  157	Awake	July 22, 1954, p.15	General	Positivo (Vacuna contra la rabia es bueno)….
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  UPDATE: Attempt to Ban JW.ORG in Russia Fails

  by mynameislame in

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  thanks to this legal victory, all citizens of russia will continue to have access to this excellent bible-education website..

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  Great!! THANK YOU RUSSIA... NOT!!

  They just created a situation that was win-win for the witnessess... banned and it's good... not banned and it's good...

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