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  Did You Ever Aspire To Be Anything Special In The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  i never wanted to go to bethel but when i was a teenager, i wondered what i would need to do to become a circuit overseer.

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  Mystery

  I wanted to go to Bethel.
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  Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is Unscriptural?

  by minimus in

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  and for those that believe disfellowshipping is unacceptable, would you want to have known child molesters as members of a congregation that you were in?

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  1 Corinthians 4:3 "Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal. Even I do not examine myself."
  
  How can we examine others when we shouldn't even be examining ourselves?

  Then how can YOU/ELDERS disfellowship anyone? You examine EVERYONE that has a different thought than you.
  
  
  

  Mattew 7:12 "All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
  
  If love was the law in our heart, what need would there be for other laws?

  
  
  So i guess we can also throw the 10 Commandments out of the bible?
  
  

  Romans 3:20 "Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin."
  
  If the laws in the bible is a means of showing us what sin is........

  
  
  you just said that there was no need for laws? is this a Contradiction?
  
  

  Romans 5:9 "Much more, therefore, since we have been declared righteous now by his blood, shall we be saved through him from wrath."

  
  
  Then why do you "worship" the Governing Body/WTBTS president in earlier days?
  
  
  
  

  Romans 6:14 "For sin must not be master over YOU, seeing that YOU are not under law but under undeserved kindness"
  
  ....then the bible shows us how important Jesus's undeserved kindness is to everyone.

  
  
  Shunning is showing Jesus's undeserved kindness.
  
  
  

  Mathew 11:30 "my yoke is kindly my load is light"

  
  
  My load is now light. I don't have to feel guilty about shunning. And many, many other "rightousness" the JW claim to have.
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  Do we have double standards about JWs?

  by Skeptic in

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  do we have a double standard as far as jws are concerned?

  yes, i know that their claims of being better than any other religion sets them up for higher expectations.

  and yes, generally jws are judgemental.

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  I’m not partial or prejudice against JW’s in particular. I completely agree with garybuss and the other points brought out above.
  
  When treated that way by anyone, I would use the same tone and standards.
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  Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is Unscriptural?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those that believe disfellowshipping is unacceptable, would you want to have known child molesters as members of a congregation that you were in?

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  Mystery

  minimus - sorry to get off the subject of your thread.
  
  forgive me
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  Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is Unscriptural?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those that believe disfellowshipping is unacceptable, would you want to have known child molesters as members of a congregation that you were in?

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  Mystery

  elumn8_2 - What grounds do "you" have for disfellowshipping simply because someone questions a 'belief' that just doesn't seem right to them?
  
  How can shunning a person that has chosen to read the history of JW's and ask questions regarding the "birth" of JW's.
  
  Ask the WTBTS for the history? Read Crisis of Conscience - prove it wrong.
  Oh no - you can't read that! YOU might get disfellowshipped. Ask your elder if you can read it. You are so right. You believe with your whole heart! If you are absolutely, without a doubt, 100% sure then read the book and prove me wrong. Make me believe again. Make me a JW again, elumn8_2. Are you going to turn your back on someone asking you for help.
  
  
  1884 - Bible Students became incorporated (It wasn't even Jehovah Witnesses in the beginning.) Your religion is about 119 years old. It is hard to believe that Moses, Daniel, Ruth, Mary of Magdalene, Jonah and all those other Bible people stayed faithful without JW's. And even without shunning.
  
  1923 - The Watchtower declared Russell (the founder of JW's - did you know that he was a Presbyterian & also the Congregational Church - he got fed up with them {and you know what!! he wasn't even disfellowshipped for it!!} and CREATED HIS OWN RELIGION! - Did you know that about your religion?
  
  1931 - As soon as Russell died Rutherford dismissed Russells direct direction for the organization to take and did what He wanted; not the originator of JW's. Only 8 years prior Rutherford had agreed that Russell was "the man sent from God".
  
  Even in the beginning of Knorr's presidentcy there was NO GOVERNING BODY that handed down information to the congeration. It was thru Knorr and only Knorr that information was passed down to the congeration.
  
  So you are following a religion that:
  1)Was created by a X-Presbyterian and an X-Congregational Church member.
  2)A man that said he was sent by God. (reminds me of David Korish)
  3) A second man that decided himself that the first man was wrong, so he did it HIS way.
  4) A lie in the Watchtower for years that said the information was coming down from the Governing Body, when it was directly coming down from Man #1, #2, and #3.
  
  You know; i learned all of this in the first 88 pages. Man what else will i learn from reading the rest?
  
  Again - read it and prove me wrong. I am asking you as a lost sheep needing to find my way back. Prove me wrong elumn8_2.
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  Name that dog?

  by hippikon in

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  due to security issues in our neighborhood we are getting a big dog.

  we had a look at him tonight big siberian husky 8 months old and very big for a husky taller than i am when standing on his back legs more of a howler than a barker hope the neighbors dont complain.

  loves children but dont think he could eat a whole one probably spit that bit out anyway.

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  For all JW’s [and x- JW’s]

  by be wise in

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  self quiz - how do you score?

  http://www.jwfiles.com/quiz.htm

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  Mystery

  If I called it would be that "selfish" thing in JH's thread wouldn't it?
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  Dead X-JW Who Cares

  by Mystery in

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  this is probably more for me than any other thing.

  all i want to do is scream at his sisters of how much they missed by not associating with their brother.

  i want go out and shake sense into all of these people to live by shunning!

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  I really appreciate everyone's word of hope and faith.
  
  The quotes in my first post were quotes from his sisters. I was pretty upset and didn't make a whole lot of sense with my post at times.
  
  I knew his first wife; she threatened me if I as ever seen talking to him. (I knew her family, I knew they were not idle threats.) So I didn't speak to him due to her, not because he was DF'd.
  
  I found out they divorced, but never saw him again afterwards. Tho when I went to visit my family I would look for him when out running around.
  
  I hope he settled things in his mind and heart, if he didn't I can't see him being a decon and saying things that were not in his heart. He was a very good man.
  
  I may call his last wife, I may not I haven't fully decided yet.
  
  My husband knew I was really upset about all of this, I became more upset about it after talking with his sisters becasue of the shunning they had given him for over the past 20 years. My husband gets upset that a religon (cult) can have so many firm belivers, so much that they distroy families. He is afraid, for me, that if I am ever officially DF'd how it will affect me with all of my family shunning me.
  
  We had a nice dinner, our sons even went with us (them at home on a Sat. night at all, much less without friends is a very RARE occurance). We had a nice dinner. The boys went to bed early and we sat down and a few glasses of wine. Pretty good closing to a day that started off so bad.
  
  I hear a lot of comments from wives/husbands about how wonderful their spouse is. I don't know what I would do without mine. He is my strength when I am falling apart.
  
  Thank you for being here as well. Knowing "i'm not the only one" that feels like they are losing their mind due to upbringing has helped tremendously.
  
  Thank you.
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  Dead X-JW Who Cares

  by Mystery in

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  this is probably more for me than any other thing.

  all i want to do is scream at his sisters of how much they missed by not associating with their brother.

  i want go out and shake sense into all of these people to live by shunning!

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  Mystery

  Thank you.
  
  I finally did have a long hard cry and screaming fit.
  
  SF - I did take a long hot shower. It did make me feel better.
  
  Vitamus - thank you
  
  Bittersweet - I was thinking about contacting his wife. I wasn't sure if i should or not.
  
  It just hurts. Thank you. My husband is taking me out to dinner. He wants me to get out of the house, so i will talk with everyone later.
  
  good night
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  Anyone been insulted by JW after being df'd or Da'd?

  by avishai in

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  i've had people point, make comments under their breath, give me dirty looks, after i was declared "bad association"(because even though i still was going in service, i refused to turn in a timecard.

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  Mystery

  Being dismissed = being insulted.
  
  Treated like you are a nobody is being insulted.
  
  Everyone that brings "reproach" against Jah is insulted by them.