Posts by Zoos

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ELEVEN YEARS on this Discussion Group

by Terry in

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i looked at my statistics this morning:.

terry.

joined 11 years ago.

Zoos

Terry, I don't often post but I'm always reading and have enjoyed your many threads. I was thinking about you the other day and your book that I purchased (and thoroughly enjoyed - difficult a story as it was to read).

I was wondering... most of us wake up with a desire to see the WT organization crumble. I'm sure you're no different. How have your thoughts on that possibility changed over the years since you awakened?

And:

Of all the things you have accomplished since you've been out, what do you feel was your finest moment, your biggest mistake, and what might you have done differently?

Don't mean to bombard you with a big homework assignment. We all respect your insights around here and would enjoy hearing what you think.

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Three Elders with Same Victim - Is Poland Next?

by berrygerry in

from reddit:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3iipt9/its_happening_a_big_news_story_in_one_of_the/.

Zoos

Mad Irishman
It's frequency is very low compared to every country they are in compared to the national average and it is by far not even close to be anything out of the ordinary. If anything their rates of child molestation are shockingly low.

MAD IRISHMAN, this is not about frequency. It's not about ordinary. It's not about statistics or rates or quantities or numbers of any kind.

IT ABOUT COVER-UPS!!!

Everyone knows child abuse/sexual molestation happens. It's disgusting... but we all know it happens. While we agree that even one event is too many, I don't get the sense that anyone is hung up on numbers. We're hung up on the cover-up... the lack of caring within the organization, the lip service paid to the problem while the broom is busily sweeping the entire problem under the rug for the sake of institutional reputation.

Big difference!

HUGE!

MASSIVE!!!

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Just lost one more friend

by paradisebeauty in

i used to talk weekly on skype, with a sister from another country.

i didn't tell her much about my research and change of beliefs, until today ... in the conversations some doctrines came up and i told her i don't believe 1914, first, then i went on to tell her that i also don't believe there are 2 classes of christians, that i did not believe the government of the kingdom will be in heaven while the kingdom en earth, that i believe the whole kingdom will be on earth, and that from what i read, jesus was pretty clear that he will come back to earth, visibly.

the "god always had an organization" dogma was dropped and i told her it is not true, out of 9000 years of human history, it's not sure there were 1000 years when god had a loyal organization ..... i did not plan to tell her all this things, but it just happened, and things came up in the conversation... and once i dropped one bomb i dropped them all .... she said i do not sound like i am one of the jehovah's witnesses any more ... and even though we ended the call with "see ya" i have the feeling i will not hear from her any more ... .

Zoos

Awakening to the reality of this cult is a multi-faceted attack.

Losing those we care about is perhaps the most painful aspect. I've been having a bit of a go-'round with that part of it myself lately... and I've been out 5 years now.

Mostly it get better. But sometimes you just have to sit with the pain.

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BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

by defender of truth in

for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

but where will this system of things be by that time?

Zoos

Marked too!

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Elder's Meeting about ARC? No. Really?

by punkofnice in

as you may or may not know (or care), i live in the uk.

a jw spy of mine told me that an elder had metioned that attendance at the kingdom hells had seemed to have dropped off after the australian royal comission expose of paedophilia within the watchtower organisation.. the elders were said to have had this as an item or the subject of a local elder's meeting.. i was surprised they'd even heard of the arc over here but at the same time was delighted.

delighted that meeting attendance had dropped possibly....and i say possibly...as a result of the arc.. even an older dyed in the wool jw i know is getting sick of the gb worship within the organisation and had heard of the arc.. has anyone heard similar?.

Zoos

From the WTBTS / JW perspective, it would be less damaging if the Gov Body would simply shut up......

Please, oh please, oh puh-leeeze don't shut up, governing body!

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I thought of what may happen if it was me

by Truth and Justice in

a brother goes to the thursday night meeting, and an elder says that he and a couple of elders would like to visit with him.

" the elder says "well lets wait till after the meeting.

" so he waits.

Zoos

For all the problems that could... AND DO exist in a congregation, the elders zeroed in on a watch and necklace? It smells of wagging the dog. Is this tactic designed to keep the flock's attention focused on their own inability to live up to God's standards so they won't have time to contimplate what's happening to the organization world-wide.

It's backfiring, boys!

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Australian RC Cartoon

by possum in

found this (joke?

) pretty sad indictment of wt.

Zoos

POSSUM, where did this cartoon appear?

Newspaper?

Website?

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Who Owns the Copyright to Crisis of Conscience?

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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recently there was a thread where someone asked if there was a copy of crisis of conscience they could purchase.

raymond franz it seems had limited resources yet he was able to provide crisis of conscience in printed form to what?

thousands?

Zoos

I've come to the conclusion that if Cynthia Franz really wanted Ray's books kept in the pipeline she would have appointed someone to make that so either in print or electronically.
... she made no plans to continue the publishing of his books or that perhaps Ray did not give her explicit instructions to do so.

With all due respect to Cynthia and the brilliant efforts of Ray, leaving no explicit instructions does not inhibit future action by those who see value in resurrecting the book in written form. If the book resides in the public domain then anyone can pick it up and start printing.

I wouldn't suggest just printing the book without doing due diligence in search of a copyright holder.

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A must read for all JW's and Ex-JW's

by iwasblind in

hi guys.

i am about 60% through the book exiting the jw cult: a healing handbook: for current & former jehovah's witnesses .

i bought this book because of a post about it last week so a big thank you for that.. i must say that everyone on this forum should consider giving this book a go.

Zoos

I saw that same post where the book was mentioned and I almost bought it. I will go back and give it a second look.

Thanks!

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

Zoos

I was just having a similar conversation recently but more along the line of Jesus being as good a GOD STORY as any other.

I am not willing to abandon my belief in God - whatever His definition may be. I also do not think I am qualified to scour the holy books and come up with anything other than just another version of almighty truth. SO, I have decided that the GOD IDENTITY is not relevant, that I can show respect to THE GOD via whatever mental image I may arrive at without offending Him.

JESUS is as good a GOD story as any and I will be happy to partake of the wine and bread on a yearly basis as my way of showing appreciation and respect. I don't think for a moment He gets his celestial girdle in a twist if we don't have the details about Him correct.

The details don't matter to me anymore.