He always had a very spiritual side, too (which was hard for many to see because of his erotic side!). I always figured the JWs used the death of his baby to snag him. Now, even if he has doubts, he's probably hanging on to 'the hope' (tm) of seeing his baby in paradise. Poor thing, I feel sorry for him.
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Prince coming up on The Today Show, wonder if he will mention JW'ers....?
by NoBorg in.
isn't he trapped in the borg?
what do you know about his membership?
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"You're an apostate!"
by Swan inwhat would you do in a situation like this?.
you're in a hurry, so want to just grab something quick for lunch in a nearby fast food restaurant and then eat back at your desk while you work.
there was a woman standing in front of the condiments area.
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asleif_dufansdottir
I'm with Dawn, Swan...don't worry about 'what you did wrong' or 'what you could have done right.'
Since you may run across this person again, I like Dawn's, "I have no idea who you are" response. Sharing openmouthed in shock is always an appropriate response (because you can't believe this person has such poor manners). So is saying, "You are an incredibly rude, if not psychotic, person," and walking away.
Don't take any of the blame for her actions or accusations.
Don't let her make you feel guilty.
Don't let her make you run away, or feel ashamed, in the future. She's the one who "showed her ass in public" (as my grandma used to say), not you.
I, personally, would not try to avoid her if I saw her again, just so as not to give her the satisfaction of thinking I'm 'ashamed' somehow (it would be very hard, but I'm sure you have done hard things in the past).
In the end, though, think about what you think is the right thing to do if you are accosted by such a rude and silly person in the future, so at least you are prepared.
Edited because: Don't all the best responses come too late?
Say, very carefully, in calm, measured tones, "Ohhhhkaayyy. All those special napkins are yours. You can have them all. I'll just get some from over here." and back away slowly with your arms up. Look at lunch crowd, raise your eyebrows suggestively. Say, "Ik-snay on the apkins-nay" to those watching. Wait for the lunatic to stomp off in a huff.
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THE SHAME IS ON "YOU" DANSK!!!
by Aikon inhi dansk.
i have read your commet on the subject "shame on you".. what you have seem to forgot is your family????
yes if you was not like a "bull in a china shop" you would have stopped and looked at the situation to ensure your daughter were not left behind in the w/t.. but what did you do?
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asleif_dufansdottir
I dunno, I thought Dansk's accusation was directed at the WT's lurkers who come here looking for ammunition (see Amazing's "Wheel of Justice" thread) to use against those who post here.
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Amazing is back ... the Wheels of Justice have turned
by Amazing1914 ini am back from underground ... i have more to tell you than you can imagine ...
i cannot use my old screen handle for now, but we are working on that, and it will be restored as soon as simon and i can get it done.
so, simon has allowed me to create a new screen name for the time being.
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asleif_dufansdottir
Amazing: Big hug and pat on the back, dude. Take good care of yourself.
To any WT spies who happen to be wasting their time reading this board:
I bet this isn't what you thought you'd be doing when you went to Bethel, huh? So much for your glorious vision of serving Jehovah, working for the vindication of his name...didn't quite think you'd be trying to vindicate it from stuff your own organization did, did you?
Now you spend your time reading stuff that the 'average' JW is warned to stay away from. Does that make you feel special and important, or did it just disillusion you?
Whatsa matter, your supposed god can't tell his supposed faithful slave what's going on?? You have to lurk on 'apostate' sites?? I don't blame you, you know down deep in your heart they're all fakes, don't you? You're just peddling as fast as you can trying to hold on to the money and power - You're right up there with Jimmy Swaggart and Oral Roberts...pathetic fakes using religion to line your pockets and stroke your egos.
We're your worst nightmare come true: a decentralized, ad hoc group of cyber-guerillas who are being joined daily, by more and more pi$$ed off ex-Witnesses, who collectively seek your ruin
Ditto.
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
You don't scare me. Your attempts to intimidate us by asking for our names just shows what bullies you are, and that you're getting desperate. You are pathetic.
I bet we scare you, though, don't we? A whole group of people who give less than a damn what you think or what you say. Hundreds, thousands of people who know what a nasty, hateful, corrupt organization you are and are going to keep speaking up about it until everybody else knows too.
Bring it on.
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Favorite Cars
by dustyb in.
i'm a youngster, so i don't like the old cars as much as i do the new cars.
my #1 favorite car is (any year) ferarri f50, but a 1993.5 toyota supra comes close.......
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1964 Pontiac GTO ...
the car that put the muscle in muscle cars...
the car my dad had when I was born...
the only brand-new car he ever bought...
the car that never lost a race when he was driving it...
the car that gave me my personal definition of "exhibition of acceleration" and "speeding"......(those 'kids' today in those little plastic cars they think are so impressive just can't compete)
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Need Input! Overcoming Active JW Objections re: Letter on UN Website
by imallgrowedup inthe letter the un posted on their site regarding the wt affiliation with the un is great news!
kudos to everyone who made this possible by taking the time to write the un!
although most on jwd see this as a big victory, most have expressed that there will probably be many active jw's who will find it suspicious or will turn a blind eye.
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asleif_dufansdottir
Objection: They MUST have been tricked into joining in order to get into the library or in order to get literature into countries where they are taxed such as France.
Even if the society joined the UN with good intentions - if the society could be tricked into joining the UN (handy scans of pages from old literature that blasts the UN and all who support it would be good here), then how on earth could you trust anything they say??
Joining the UN should have been the last thing the society would ever do! Look how clearly they have condemned the UN and all who support it!
If they could be tricked into supporting the UN after they said that, then they can be tricked by Satan into anything, and you can't trust a word they say!
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Pregnancy
by Phil in.
has anyone have any information on can or will the wt forgive a girl that gets pregnant out of wedlock.. my daughter has just revealed that this happened to a girl she knows who went full term on the pregnancy and was forgiven by the wt.
would such a person be given good treatment by the other members in kh.
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asleif_dufansdottir
I have never known an unmarried pregnant girl to not be disfellowshipped at least for a while. I f she's well connected, and/or willing to tow the line for a while, she can get re-instated.
I have. But she wasn't a girl. She was a widowed JW with several kids, who was dating a 'worldly but studying' guy. Her oldest son (I think he might have been living at home at this point...he was in his late teens or early 20s) was a MS.
I saw her at the meeting one night (this was when my husband was a JW but I wasn't yet) and said to my husband..."That's not fat! That's a baby!" (both she and the man were very overweight). Sure enough, within a week or 2 they announced she was on public reproof, or something...but not df'd. They got married right away (before the baby was born - talk about locking the barn door after the horse escapes). I don't remember when or if he got baptised, but he sure loved being 'head of the household'...he was a mean S.O.B. whose biological children from a previous relationship had been taken away by social services because of abuse &/or neglect. Which of course makes him the ideal JW husband and step-parent father.
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How YOU Humiliate the Watchtower (4/1/04)
by metatron intake a good look at the april 1, '04 watchtower, with its garish 'wild beast' on the cover.. now, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to show a picture of the un building being .
destroyed at armageddon?
wouldn't be a good idea to blast the churches of christendom.
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asleif_dufansdottir
I wonder if the WT is worried about backlash from the UN?
Perhaps they are scared that the UN has found out all the nasty things that the WT has said about them, and has some type of recourse against the society? Maybe papers they signed as an NGO? They did agree to uphold the UN's principles...maybe the UN could potentially bring suit (or something) against the WT for having joined in false pretenses? or for not upholding their end of the bargain?
Wouldn't that just be hysterical (as well as such a lovely example of karmic justice)? If the WT would get kicked in the financial groin for being the lying sacks of scum they are???
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UK rules on divorcng a man who ignores me....
by SM62 inmy husband expects me to have the group study here in our house.
we have always had the group study, plus 3 field service groups.
i clean the room, buy the tea/coffee/biscuits/cakes.
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asleif_dufansdottir
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I realize this might not be something you feel you could do, but the first thing I would do was to tell my husband that I was not cleaning the house or preparing for a book study with people who shun me, and that if he wants to keep holding it there, He can damned well do the preparation and cleaning. I'd tell him I wasn't going to attend it anymore, and I wasn't going to even be home that afternoon and evening (that way he can't yell at you, and he'll have to actually do the work if he wants it done). I wouldn't leave the house an absolute pit, but I wouldn't do any special cleaning up or picking up. And I wouldn't be there, and I'd refuse to discuss it with him.
Try that a few weeks and see if it shakes him up. And you might say you'd like to talk to the elders about the lack of help and financial support, if he starts giving you any crap. Tell him as far as you're concerned he's not presiding over his household in a fine manner and if he wants to be a JW he needs to work on that. Calmly point out all the things he does that are not 'good JW husband' things. Then refuse to discuss it or argue about it. Might not do you any good, but it might scare him a bit...
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Our Ginger and Rainbow Bridge.... :(
by Sentinel ini have been remiss in posting any updates on my home situation, with my husbands health issues.
and now, another stressful event has occured, and our beloved "ginger" (three year old cat) will be put to sleep on the 29th.. hubby has been undergoing test after test, and meanwhile has been admitted to the hospital here twice.
the first time was related to the growth in his chest and his ventral hernia; the second time was due to a seriously infected cat bite.
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Yesterday, I called the shelter and explained everything and was told that this peticular breed of cat, the female Tortie gets mean after they are spayed. We had you spayed because that is what the animal shelter required of us, as responsible pet owners. We didn't realize that it would change you forever, and that you would become so unfriendly and mean.
I have been avoiding posting on this topic, but I just can't let you think you are somehow responsible for her "getting mean."
First let me be very clear about something - Don't misunderstand me! I do think there was something wrong with her. From your description, it's very clear she was mentally unbalanced and a dangerous animal, and you did the right thing to have her put to sleep, but it wasn't caused by spaying her! I realize you don't know me from Adam, and that you have no reason to believe me rather than the shelter person, but I hate to have you think somehow you caused this...
I used to work as a vet assistant, I have been a kitty foster mom, had lots of different cats of different breeds, and showed cats for years. I cannot believe someone at the shelter would say such a hurtful and incorrect thing.
It is true that torties have a reputation for being somewhat, opinionated (just as orange tabbies have a bit of a reputation for being kinda doofy and brown tabbied have a reputation for being loving), but please, please believe me when I say that spaying her did not make her unfriendly and mean. Some breeds are more or less loving, but there is no breed where a particular color gets mean after being spayed.
I think these old wives tales start because mental and behavior disorders just aren't very obvious in cute fuzzy little kittens, and we usually get them spayed or neutered when they're 'teenagers' or 'adults', and it's just a coincidence that the mental and behavior disorders show up after the operation.
Losing a loved pet is hard. Feeling that you somehow failed is worse (I've been there). But Please, Please don't feel responsible.
I'm very sorry for your loss.