All religion has scandels. They are man made. An unpolular comment to make here- but one I feel is true- is that the WT works well for some people. Just like Catholism works well for many. From where I sit you comments are welcome here just as all others are. You will be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum or any ex-jw forum that will agree with your statements. I am glad to be away from the organization. I do not hold any hosility or anger toward the group and I do not consider them any worse or better than most all organized religions. Like the mormons they have a stict set of rules based upon their interpretation of the bible. If you feel they are well suited for you I wish you the best. I would question, like others here, why if you feel they are right would you spend your time on such sites as this?
kelsey007
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everone is in confusion
by zolensky ini joined this site last week hoping to meet people that would steer me back to the organization.
instead the people i have talked to her are all trying to tell me too see the light and get out of the organization.
in my opinion, not that it matters, i really think that if a person had the truth deeply ingrained in them, they would never leave the truth.
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Does praying "work"?
by SpannerintheWorks inhas anybody got any hard evidence that asking for something, through prayer, actually gives them what they were asking for?.
jesus promised to give anything to them that asked.
have you asked for something (in prayer), but it hasn't been given?.
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kelsey007
Normon Vincent Peale wrote a book called "Expect a Miracle, Make Miracles Happen". Faith is a powerful tool. To me it is an important facet of life. However you choose to define "god" and whatever you believe about life and eternity we all place faith in something. Whether you pray, meditate or pratice yoga such a mindset does powerful things to a person physically and emotionally. Prayer in and of itself is a form of meditation. It provides one with the faith and will to accomplish things. It instills in ones self the belief that one can do. Another book is "The power of positive thinking". As simplistic as these statements may seem they accomplish powerful things. A positive, smiling, upbeat person inspires others and seems to go through life much better. They focus on the positive things of life- not the negative. By doing so they get more positive things out of life.
So simply put prayer works. Because it helps put one into the positive thinking mode. It empowers one to believe that big things can be accomplished.
IMHO
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war in Irak
by happy man in.
it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .
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kelsey007
Amen logical!
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Laptops..PC ?
by Brummie inwhats your experience with laptop pcs?
need help, will buy one soon, anyone in uk know of any good deals or hints before buying one?
they cost to much to make a bad move.. will probably buy from dixons or pc world or some big name store just to be sure that its genuinely covered.
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kelsey007
I own a IBM, compaq and sony laptop- my money is on the sony....Had it over a year- travel with it use it it the vehicle- it's been through some hard times with me and zero problems with it.
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Great Eggnog and Hot Coco Recipe
by Xandria into make 12 half cup severings in a large sauce pan, beat together 8 eggs, 1/4 cup of sugar and 1/4 teaspoon of salt.
stir in 2 cups of skim milk or lowfat milk.
cook over low heat stirring constantly, until mixture is thick enough to coat a metal spoon with a thin coat.
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kelsey007
That sounds too good! Thank you now if I could find someone to make it for me.......
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Happy thanksgiving and happy bday to me!
by hamptonite21 inim 28 on turkey day.
im thankful i have a lot of years left without the dubs.
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kelsey007
Young brat! Happy B'Day and many more to ya!
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How did you feel about 'fake' witnesses?
by Simon ini'm sure you know the ones i mean ... they decided to have a family 'present day' on dec 26th each year so that the kids could announce what presents they got while the rest of us 'zealots' were getting the piss taken out of us.. at the time, i could not understand how or why they did it or got away with it - it seemed obvious to me that thwy were celebrating christmas and we were not supposed to.
but hell, what did i know ... i was only a kid ... not an elder .
now, i kind-a-think "yeah, do what's right for your kids" but also "you're not fooling anyone!
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kelsey007
My maternal grandparents were part of the original Bible Studants before they called themselves JWs. Though my grnadmother dies in 1975 I always will remember how, though she was strong in her JW faith always kinda liked the holidays. She never quite adapted to the "new light" on the subject. I always stayed i at her house as a jw kid because we had fun on halloween!
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Spousal Abuse Thoughts
by DakotaRed ini have been having an ongoing discussion with a friend about spousal abuse.
she has come to accept and believe that i have never hit a woman in my life, but feels that i am a rarity.
i contend that i am not, that although too many men still hit their wives, they are in the minority.
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kelsey007
Though I was once married to a woman that hit and threw things in fits of anger I could never hit a woman. I agree that that behavior- men hitting women- does happen I feel that it is not as prevelant as it once was. Society has developed to a point that women stand up and no longer silently tolerate such behavior- They are no longer so dependant on thier man and are much more apt to pack their bags and leave... IMHO
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Fred Price a Jehovah's Witness????
by JT infor years i have seen this guy on tv i recall going out to la for a dc and his church was located in the territory of the bethelites family i stayed with and we laughed at how he was getting over on folks, just taking their money.
and now i learn that he got his early training from the jehovahs witnesses.
yes i think fred price is my new idol.
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kelsey007
JT thanks for that post and link. That is great stuff!
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Thinking about Bill Bowen...
by Pathofthorns ini was looking over the thread... "should i support bill bowen?".
i realize i am one of the few people that gave bill somewhat of a difficult time pretty much from the beginning when it was not "fashionable" to do so.
it was never my hope to see the man reduced to what he has, but rather to gain a better understanding of the issues involved, the intents and goals of silentlambs and to see reasonableness govern everyone's actions in the whole affair.. imo, i don't think there is any other single person in the last while that has done so much to help address the issue of child abuse among jw's while at the same time exposing them for what they really are.
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kelsey007
Trauma- Sure I noted the dateline show and the Connie Chung show. I also noted the media attention in the media overseas- this is why I said "national media" in this country- after the dateline show and connie chung little or no media (national) attention has been given in THIS country. Yes- some local media. No national coverage on the march that I know of. And no trauma- did not know that you had your own site. And, after having visited the silentlambs.org site in previous months I have not been back since. But, I do scan the major news papers almost daily and watch many of the major cable network news channels. I also scan these sites and followup on stories posted here. Since the connie chung show I have not noticed any national coverage nor has any been brought to my attention. After the NY march no national coverage was brought- Not even the New York Times covered the story and they had carried articles about silent lambs in the past- prior to the march. If there has been more current -national- in the USA coverage- as I was referring to in my post- please advise me where, I would like to see. I am not speaking of local channel 11 stuff or the Press Gazette out of Milton, Fl.
As I re read my post that you are referring to I can see that my wording was not good in regard to the media. I hope that this along with the context of my post clarifys my point. What I was trying to point out was that after the mementum and yes the couple of national news shows suddenly it looked as if the major news shows dropped coverage of the story. And the added point that if the facts were there to back up all the accusations I persoanlly think that the media would have stayed on the case. I regret that this is all that seems to have been gained from my post.
No, renborn, the WT is not anything near the size of the catholic org. Though I am already aware of the great difference in size between the two I am sure that those who were not are greatful for your figures. My point again is that regardless of the smaller size of the WT if and that is IF the allegations about the GB and thousands of others is accurate and true as stated by the spokesman for silent lambs the media would still have focused on the story. Believe me even the small church in Georgia stayed in the national media when abuse was uncovered. The media looks for FACT to back up their story. My belief is that the media found fact for SOME of the allegations but also found that many allegations were being thrown that could not be proved. If all these allegations had validity in the eyes of the media they would have hounded the WT to no end regardless of thier small size in numbers.
Edited by - kelsey007 on 22 November 2002 19:14:57