Posts by 4horsemen

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Nice guys left in the cold

by Elsewhere in

butalbee started the thread "do looks really matter?

i started wondering about the "nice" guys (such as myself).... it's been my experience that women tend not to go for the "nice" guy who has a lot to offer - big heart, kind, good income, etc.

they seem far more likely to go for the aggressive "jerk" or "rebel" who treats them like dirt.. why is that?.

4horsemen

2syn

You wrote: "I'm not the kind of guy who'll stick his hand up a woman's skirt ten minutes after meeting her. I prefer building up to the final act slowly, tenderly"

That's a 'nice guy'

A 'jerk' sticks his hand up a woman's skirt upon meeting said woman.

And a 'bad boy' is the guy who has just outran the cops, throws down a bottle of Johnnie Walker, slaps his squeeze around for dropping his cig, and then proceeds to give her the best sex of her life. After which he bums 5$ off her to buy another pack.

Gilwarrior: Take a lesson from Abaddon. Become a "nice" bastard. Here's an idea. Dont treat women like a piece of meat on a hook. Especially the "pretty" ones. Instead treat them like people.

Where's the insight?

Just this: If your male best friend gave you attitude, or said something you disagreed with, or did something contrary to your opinion on it, you'd let him know. Wouldnt you? But as men who want sex, especially sex with "hot" women, nice guys tend to stifle their true personalities and opinions so as not to offend women, mistankenly thinking we have a better chance in the bedroom, if we appear kind, nice, caring, blah, blah. Wrong!

What would you think of a co-worker who you knew had opinions, but never expressed them unless called upon? Or when they were called upon you then knew whatever idea they had could basically be intimated to agreeing with with the boss' idea?

Passive? Vanilla? A "good" worker? A "nice" guy?

Or even worse: Same worker has a great idea. But is too afraid to present it. Roll the dice and take your shot.

Women are strange creatures. Dont even try to figure them out. Consider their ways, but respect first your own.

"It is better to be hated for who you are, then loved for who you are not" ~Nice bastard

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Is this world ruled by Demons and are we?

by Mindchild in

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friends

to me, one of the most pathetic and lamest of all watchtower teachings is the fantasy that satan and the demons rule the world.

the witnesses are terrified of these demons getting into their minds through everything from wearing old clothes bought at the thrift store to smoking cigarettes (remember all drugs give demons easy access to your mind.).

they would have you believe that each country on earth is controlled by really big mean and tough demons (hey demons cant be nice you know) and they are actively controlling the minds of the political leaders in a global chess game because they have nothing better to do.. i was wondering then if anyone can show me a single itsy bitsy tiny amount of evidence to show any credible physical evidence or logical/metaphysical reasoning to back the jw ideological boogey men.

4horsemen

Mindchild you wrote,

"I’m not so much fishing for Biblical answers as I am trying to understand why some people believe this story."

People like to believe stories. Recall the thread about oujia boards? It was split about 50/50. Demonized versus hokum

Do you believe in God/Bible? If so, then probably you are more willing to accept the events it says took place. If not, well...

There are not many examples in the bible of "demon power" but one I was always fascinated by was when Moses first went to Pharaoh. Moses made his petition then to show he had Gods backing threw his staff down and it became a snake. What did Pharaoh do? He was unimpressed. Why? Because his priests did the same thing! How?

What did those priests know that we dont? Would it be credible to argue that IF that story was true then there are still some "priests" today that could do similar?

Signs and portents/miracles are one of the more dicey things in the Bible. Not just on the 'evil' end. I often wonder about Jesus. Say he came to the earth today. Lets say you saw him cure someone of paralysis. Or more incredibly raised someone from the dead? In person. What would you do? Would you believe it? Would you think this man had "power" and become his follower? It seems almost incomprehensible. I think he'd be dead in a week. Such events are unsettling to the human mind.

And now with CNN, the Internet, camcorders and every kook, charlatan, and would be Svengali following him around would that add to his credibility or detract from it? It would be a circus.

As far as demons go. If I recall correctly it was in Daniel that he saw 10,000 X 10,000 angels before the throne (100 million). Revelation mentions that Satan took 1/3 with him. So if you accept the literal reading some where around 30+ million at least.

Now as to whether demons influence nations/people, again if you believe they exist why not? I would guess that not all angels who rebelled at the flood took on bodies to have sex. But those that did and then could not ever materlize bodies again would be seeking to exert sexual influence on people. How they would do that I dont know.

Anyone who says it's not possible is kidding themselves. Look at how effective advertising is. "Have a nice day" "Fly the Friendly Skies" "Got milk?" The money spent for Super Bowl commercials. Why?
It subtle, insidious, and result oriented. How much more so spirit "advertising"?

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You Know - Your Wrong

by Amazing in

you know: we have not echanged net fluids lately, so forgive my ... shal we say ... explosive!

nature.

history is not at any great turning point.

4horsemen

The world according to You Know.

Just imagine:

worthless fiat money, unsteady job market (if you have a job), even dimmer job prospects, no health insurance, no retirement, no chance of owning a home, no credit worthiness, a 1975 Ford Pinto, bus, or bicycle as your means of transportation, thrift shop clothes, eating food you grow, teaching your children at home with no opportunity for college/professional training, no free time to socialize, go to the gym, find a wife, pursue other interests due to just trying to survive in a cruel world that doesn't give a 2 bit damn about you...

What do you know? Sounds just like JW lives already! They should be well prepared.

You Know, shake yourself. You've been reading your bear market letter writers too long. ALL systems are corrupt. ALL men fail, ALL men betray.

Especially the WTBS. God(Jehovah or otherwise) is no rose himself. He plays favorites, and makes up his own rules. Sort of like a spiritual Alan Greenspan. He favors those he has chosen. The Bible is a compendium of human corruption with "Gods" approval. When King David committed crimes that would have put anyone else to the sword, Jah looked the other way. He suffered to be sure, but his life went on. He still had his crown and Bethseba in his bed. Solomon. Aaron. The early christian congregation. Even the apostles arguing over who was the greatest. Ridiculous nonsense. And these are the men of old? Reinforcers of our faith? More like examples of the same old, same old. And all their respective currencies and financial systems are long gone. Gold is still gold though. Better buy some.

Man is as he has always been: A barbarian.

"Let us seduce him with our wealth, impress him with our might, and so treat him as our friend" ~Aetius, Roman General speaking of Attila not Saul of Tarsus.

What has changed? The means of destruction. Only.

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Part 16: The Radio Interview in Portland

by Amazing in

part 16: the radio interview in portland .

results from my letter to the editor: i felt that since i had written to the watch tower legal dept.

and nothing happened, that likely nothing would happen.

4horsemen

Amazing mentioned "full blown apostasy"

Isn't it amazing(pun intended) that this mind control of WTS is so subtle and complete that even after our exodus and we relay or review our own unique experience as a JW we label ourselves or are labelled by others apostate.

Unbelievable!

Nice work Amazing. The Watchtower Writes Back? Is this when Darth Vader played by Ray Franz tells you his is your father? :) I think you have a movie trilogy on your hands Amazing.

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Wanted: A few good men

by butalbee in

where do you go to meet a good man?

don't want to go to a bar, where all the men are drunks.

don't want to date anyone i work with anymore, it's too awkward.

4horsemen

BBee,

Some places to try-

1)Community college: Acting class, journalism class, art class. Some guys there that should not have too much of a problem expressing themselves.

2)A not so trendy gym.

3) Music store. A place that teaches lessons so you have to physically go there. Guitar is sexy.

4) Toastmasters or similar. Professional men. Some con men too!

5) Your town/city should have its own newspaper. You'd be suprised at the number of local clubs/events/gatherings. Choose one that piques your interest.

6) Volunteer for something. Schools/Colleges, hospitals, charity, saving mother earth etc.

7) Do you like fish? Do you fish? Do you know how to fish? Spend a day on a charter boat. I guarantee you'll meet lots of men. All ages, all backgrounds.

8) Smile, say hi or excuse me and ask a question. Simple way to engage anyone in a conversation. If they have any interest to that is.

Ive never understood this about women. They see a guy they may want to get to know better and then get passive? Hoping they start up a conversation? You dont want to appear what: sexually forward? desperate? pushy? I have been asked out three times by women. Interestingly enough they were all older than me though only by a couple years save the one I turned down. Two I said yes to. Perhaps, as you mature you get tired of waiting on chance? Men, I dont want to say are used to it, but we get shot down all the time. The decent guys you're looking for after awhile may get gun shy. I remember Brooke Shields once said that every guy she dated (not got asked out by) she had to make it "totally obvious I liked them" The braggarts, brigands, and brash jerks, makes no difference. They keep on trusting in the numbers game.

Best of luck BB

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You Know - Your Wrong

by Amazing in

you know: we have not echanged net fluids lately, so forgive my ... shal we say ... explosive!

nature.

history is not at any great turning point.

4horsemen

You Know,

I thought we we supposed to keep up with the celestial chariot, not run in front of it?

If this system implodes financially, dont worry we'll just use beads and feathers.

"Money aint God, but try and live without it" ~Larry Holmes after coming out of retirement

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Some Thoughts On Human Behaviour

by expatbrit in

jw
friends

when you leave behind the watchtower, and start thinking for yourself, you necessarily have to ditch their view of human society.

over the past year, i've given quite a lot of thought to other explanations for human behaviour, and the way human society is the way it is, with it's enormous contrasts and inconsistencies.

one of the viewpoints i've considered is that of thomas hobbes, and so far (in my opinion) it is the simplest model that fits observed conditions.

4horsemen

xbrit,

nice synopsis of TH.

Dont forget the old prison adage regarding life: Big dogs rule, little dogs run.

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what does the watchtower teach that is right.

by jerome in

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friends

so you dont have to say it.

could you please bear with me for a second here.. this organisation cant be all bad even though overall it is.. .

most of you may reluctantly hold the opinion that every thing the watchtower currently teaches isnt all bad so could you please give your honest opinions as to what you think is good about the org.. so what is there that can be said about it and its teachings that is good.. especially about prophecy.

4horsemen

Jerome,

Why do you need the Watchtower?

Do you understand what Jesus meant when he said "Go and learn what this means, "I want mercy and not sacrifice"?

As far as positive comments go, one thing I recall is that the KH I visited were all extremely clean. Public speaking experience a plus too, though you could get that in school or Toastmasters.

As far as religious doctrine? That's a bit muddy.

What have you found to be particularly insightful? I hope it doesnt have anything to do with 1914 and "generations"

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NEW LIGHT! Earthquakes-3-22-02 Awake!

by messenger in

jw
friends

well we now have another ray of new light that has flashed forth.

it is a new teaching regarding earthquakes.

for close to eighty-five years now the core believe of jehovahs witnesses has been the last days teaching that earthquakes have increased in intensity and frequency since 1914. no longer, now it seems it has gone the way of the generation that would not die who were alive in 1914. now we have the great new discovery that there were not more or stronger earthquakes since 1914, almost 40 years after experts and many good men were disfellowshipped for saying otherwise.

4horsemen

You Know,

You miss one ingredient of the "composite" sign significance. It's not "there will be earthquakes in one place after another" as Jesus states, it's how the WTBS manipulates the context for the better part of 70 years. By playing on fear, worry, sloth, non-critical thinking, and class cliques. It is a false representation of a contextual knowledge.

Much like Enron insiders misrepesenting their balance sheets to their own ends. And just like Enron a select few in New York are literally influencing the lives of millions. When they themselves are not certain of the knowledge, or know its wrong, or know that it will have to be revised when its politically correct and feasible to do or when it's necessary(ie, when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar)

Watching this "new light" is like seeing the second plane flying into the WTC. You see it and it seems like time is slowing down, you witness it and you still cant believe it. It's shocking.

What is sad is not what things stumble people, (you find stumbling amusing? what did Jesus say regarding the one whom the stumbling comes from?) but rather that they themselves place the autonomy of their very lives in anothers hands instead of themselves. It can never be otherwise: you alone are the only one responsible for your life. The reality is that the burned hand teaches best. I think this is why we are in part in these forums. The WTBS flip flops reminds us how we allowed ourselves to be duped and to be ever on guard for those who would take away our choice.

How long can a "religion" that teaches and publishes lies, half truths, suppositions, and then hides behind semantics or syntax
endure?

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." ~Hitler

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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY

by You Know in

the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?

that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.

the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.

4horsemen

You Know,

Life is a sexually transmitted disease.